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[Kyuuji]

bend the rules i think that the answer why i pass my grades at school

[Feathertail]

Heh. Thanks for the insight on trickster-ness, you three. (Although it seems some of us are more tricky than others! *pokes Kyuuji*)

Tsukos, I didn't mean to suggest that Inari was all-knowing -- I personally don't see her as omniscient, -present, or -potent, attributes which seem to fit more with the way that the Christian god is described. I don't think she'd have trouble seeing through a fox's illusions, though, and I personally feel that she's had an active role in my life for awhile now. So she probably knows me pretty well, which explains the depth of the questions that she was asking.

I have what may be a weird take on the illusions versus truth thing ... I see the job of a storyteller as being emotionally genuine, and portraying things as they really are. So when I take on a different persona in my writing (or roleplaying), it's less like I'm "pretending to be someone else" and more like I'm ... er ... embodying a different part of the truth. Or something. Like I'm channeling a person or life situation, so that I can portray it for others. I become the character, even if I'm also thinking about other things in the back of my head.

I don't know how coherent that was. I guess what I'm trying to get at is an illusion isn't as powerful if you don't believe in it yourself, or something.

[tsukos]

Hmm...

you just wandered into the very deep end of the philosophy pool.

Of course you have to believe in the illusions to a point... but it is only necessary to believe they exist. It is not necessary to allow them to affect you, though it may be required that their effects be feigned.

In the same way, character and roles are simply fakes, extra personas and lives animated by what is ultimately you pretending; perhaps even dreaming in a way.

None of this requires it be true in any way at all.

Stories are a form of artifice. You can call a glass sculpture of a leaf 'Emotionally Genuine' and 'portraying things as they really are'... and you would be both right and wrong. Obviously, leaves are not glass.

But at the same time, in a metaphorical sense, it can be said that grass is glass, fragile and brittle. That fits the bill.

But that doesn't mean the glass sculpture the same thing as a leaf.

And a story is not the same as life, though they can reflect it.

But one does not, and should not, become the other. Imagine how much the world would suck if leaves were made of glass!

But that piece of art is still just as moving even though nobody would believe it's really a leaf.

Again, I have no clue what I'm trying to get at.

[MrNatsu]

It is always startling to be flooded with divinity, yes? Yahweh never answers, and has never answered anyone that I know, Yet deities of other sorts will speak to several people I know, and have even filled me with presence and a sort of.. Emotional speech.

Of Inari, I noticed she more then anyone tries to break things down to their most absolute and simple things. and that's good. Sometimes the only help people really need is to figure out Who they Are, and What they Want. Lost people often just don't know what they really want so tied up in obligation to others, and having desires thrust apon them by others. I'm glad to hear Inari spoke to you as well.

Mm.. Illusions..

If you want to Be:
Be, And you will Become it.
Do not pretend, Be.

[Kyuuji]

Heh. Thanks for the insight on trickster-ness, you three. (Although it seems some of us are more tricky than others! *pokes Kyuuji*)

after rereading that line and think like a student of my school i must say that there no sexual favors

[Fujo Jigen]

Identity is a huge part of this. ^^; one person here says that all kitsune actually have a part of Inari in their souls. I for one am inclined to believe it, even though I don't follow Her... not right now anyways.

It's not a game. Seeing into this, experiencing it, and making these revelations and choices is a serious matter. I've actually had a similar experience... and realized that, despite the experience, I would be going against my own nature to follow Inari, or anyone else, as a deity right now. And she seemed to respect that conclusion.

One of the parallels I have found in several of these accounts now is that Inari wants people to know themselves first, before making decisions about her. I've witnessed what you might call a conversion, or magic, or coercion, or someone finding religion in a big way with Inari... and the only description I can apply is 'intense'.

I can kinda relate to this, even though I believe in Inari and want to follow her something inside me just hasnt 'broken through' to let me be a 'true follower' as I call it its hard to explain but something inside me doesnt want to be 'taken over' by belief and worship. I guess you can say that because Ive seen to many bad examples of people 'becoming one' with their religion that even though I know this is different Ive become so self conscious of it that I dont want to become like them! the bad examples  in a sense I probably just need more time, I guess once I get past that road block everything will be the way its supposed to be in the end.

[Kira]

 
Well, I don't see it as a religion.
I don't even see her as Inari.
Inari is a human god.
But She isn't.
She is the Lady of Foxes.
This has nothing to do with worship or religion.
I believe in Her.
I believe She's there, watching over us.
And I believe we'll all be together one day.
And if I wer Her, I wouldn't want all my children to treat me with distant respect, but rather be one loving family together with them.

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