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[Okori Tenko]

 I would like to take some time to talk about the famous, and infamous sides of Tamamo no Mae. Being that I had actually met one of her Daughtery ONCE, ever in the distant past, I -CAN- tell you without a doubt that she was known as the most cunning fox ever to be met. Ever. In our time, it was rare of anyone to know that "The stars are actually distant suns, like 'planes' of existence where so many other realms lie." In a relative way, she knew about solar systems and the 'theoretical possibility of life on other planets'. However, how do you explain that to a bunch of un-modernized, more-primitively educated humans? Sometimes, you just can't win for losing.

 Without a doubt, she was definitely the most cunning and knowledgeable of all kitsune I've been instructed in, besides the Jade Empress herself, and I've sat as a kit, once, drinking tea with the Empress herself... twice, in my entire existence as a kitsune. There -are- reasons for that, but my reasons are my own, and I'll not divulge those tales here.

 Outside of that is her tales. I would like to point out foremost that the legends of Tamamo no Mae are entirely incomplete, and one-sided, to many observers, but also, very, very direly accurate. I would like to take this time, now, to divide up the stories that were 'attributed' to her, both directly and indirectly.

 Foremost is the tales from India, about a Maharajah whom courted and married a kitsune. Terrible was her boredom, and worse was her 'interests' about death and torture. As she was known there, Pau Su was a terrible ruler, cunningly using her wiles to get what she wanted from the Maharajah. To be blunt, Pau Su was one to walk the streets, and should someone look at her, she would have their eyes cut out, even doing so herself, while guards held her 'offender' down. She also had a man's feet and legs cut off, so that she could 'look down on him' and so that he could 'look up to her'. She had ordered women to dance naked in a garden for her amusement, and when they refused, had them all thrown into a pit of highly poisonous things, forcing them to dance 'now'. She was a cunning temptress in how she got her husband to do many of the same things, making him learn to delight in torture and the grizzly arts of death and mutilation. In the end, after the Maharajah died, she was then faced off with for what she was, a fox. It took nearly the entire Empire's whole cast of wizards, priests, sorcerers and alchemists to over-throw Pau Su. Singularly, in the end, the entire palace collapsed on itself in a singular battle against Pau Su, and only a single nightmarish-ly black fox crept away into the woods. Everyone else perished. None ever saw 'Pau Su' again. Not even after all of the remains from that palace were sorted through were the remains of Pau Su ever found, thus, her legend started to spread... To China.

 In China, one of 'Pau Su's daughters and her own daughter's daughters, and their daughters became furtively part of three dynasties, and crushed each one, one at a time. Each took the title of 'Mei Ling', successively. Each one of those daughters were 'separate' from their sistern, as it seemed that the cunning-ness and knowledge of Pau Su had been passed on to the next daughter. Each was 'possessed of the arcane knowledges, and of the dark interests for torture, mutilation and death, as well as a mind for courtly intrigue, seeming a 'quick study'. Three dynasties destroyed later, the whole of the Mei Ling lineage were chased beyond the boarders of China, now residing in Korea, where the terrible legends of a dark tyrant began. The Huli Jing, as they were called in Korea, were absolute terrors, but never acquired any real status of power. There, the line of Tamamo no Mae truly gets it's most horrific roots, as most of the 'Daughtery' still lives in Korea now as 'Huli Jing'.

 The Huli Jing are terrible foxes of daughters, whom delight in fulfilling wishes in the most terrible ways. Worse... they use all manners of torture to bring about family and community terror, suffering and pain. However, one of the main lines moved to Japan when the trades between China and Japan opened up.

 Though kitsune were already there, she was thought of as merely 'another Reiko'. Tamamo No Mae was 'humanly born' in the isles of Honshu (if I remember correctly) among one of the Royal lines of Nobles to the Empirical courts. She was 'classically educated', and was a terrifically quick study; mastering everything she could in a short time and even impressing her teachers with her insights and innate wisdom. She was such a great study, that she was sent to the Empirical Courts to be further tutored in matters of estate and courtly manner, as well as public relations. It was there that the Emperor and Tamamo no Mae met, and her plans truly started to take root. She was known to be 'darkly beautiful', as all her 'kitsune' line was, even if the human line wasn't. It simply 'appeared to exude from her in palpable waves of shadows'. She entertained the young Emperor, and to his delight, answered many unfathomable questions with her innate cunning and wisdom, often solving problems in a swift decisive manner, as if she was 'born to do it'. The Emperor took after this, and learned her own mannerisms as well. In a sense, she, through the Emperor, became the 'judge, jury and executioner' for many courtly problems. However, she was beloved for her timeliness and her knowledges. In time, the Emperor started gaining illnesses for which there seemed no cure. It was then found that Tamamo no Mae was mystically feeding off the entire court, but wasn't found out about until after-wards, when it was nearly too late. She was in the study of mystical poisons, experimenting, when it was found that a certain elixir had been created by her which was orderless, tasteless and absolutely lethal. Some say the concoction is the modern equivalent of 'cyanide'. This is what she was poisoning the entire court with, including the Emperor, because she wanted to rule the entirety of Japan. It was for this crime, that she was chased off, hunted down, and ultimately trapped within the 'Death stone'. With her trapped in the Death stone, she was forced to live out existence as she was, the land turning dark and poisonous, killing all whom came near. In then end of Tamamo no Mae's existence in the stone, a Monk came to assuage the wounds of Tamamo no Mae's heart. Though, this may indeed be more 'propaganda' for the Buddhist Monks, the possibility might be true, as there was no 'turning her to Buddhism', just merely a forgiveness of sin and the comforting of the soul.

 I'd like to believe that the spirit of Tamamo no Mae has healed... but I doubt the evil contained within that very stone can be so easily dealt with. The line of Tamamo no Mae's long line of evils and the essence of that evil are trapped within that stone, even if the spirit of Tamamo no Mae is not. This 'Mantle of Dark Fate' is still there, but even the Daughtery of Tamamo no Mae know that the evil is too powerful to control now. None of the Daughtery wish to dare try taking up that mantle again. They speak of it just as it truly is:

 Unspeakable evil.

 Since then, there's been no word of Tamamo no Mae, or of the Daughtery. I'd like to think that no one would ever dare try to open the stone, but should the Death stone ever be found broken, smashed, -believe- that this evil is not taken up by the newest 'Daughter of Darkness', the one that will replace the legendary Tamamo no Mae as the Dark Successor and Matron. It -WILL- happen, and the world of Kemono Youkai tremble at such a darkness.

 To me, the entire line is rich with beauty, dark passions, sensuality, blood and savagery. Though she was principally viewed as evil, parts of this were indeed truly what kitsune are about. For that, she is a lesson to all, and a stoic warning of what a kitsune can become.

 For that lesson, I'll never forget the Daughtery of Tamamo no Mae. They are indeed... rich with history.

 Of the entire line, it is said that they are the few remaining Yokai that are known as a family line of the true Oni-Kitsu, the 'Demn Foxes'. I won't doubt it. I would never want to be their enemy. I could barely tolerate one of the Daughtery becoming fully active Oni-Kitsu, and taking up the Mantle of Dark Fate. Such an event would be... catastrophic in a way none of us today could possibly imagine.

 To that, I would like to note something that may be of consequence to watch astringently for. To the history of the Daughtery, it's said they will not suffer a male to live. In other words, they kill all male children born. However, it was said that one of the Daughtery broke off relations in the 1400's, due to being pregnant. It was not known if the child was male, or not. However, this daughter still hides in China somewhere, nursing a pup that could show itself one day to be a greater evil than the entire line of Tamamo no Mae ever could be. The savagery of that line is one theme, because it involves al females... however, a male would be... disastrous, akin to the next 'anti-christ'.

[Okori Tenko]

 Now, I want to list a number of quotes from the other string:

Posted by Tsukiyomaru:

 "Hey, correct that! I don't see her evil! I REFUSED to believe that she was evil, though the first article I have read on her said that she was evil."

 (*simply arches his brows.* "Convinced now? If not, keep reading.")

Posted by Hanai:

 "Regardless of what humans have done to us, I *personally* believe (maybe to my own detriment someday, heh) that, like it or not, we are all sharing a space, however temporary, on this green earth.  It is a place of hardness, sickness, sadness, pain, happiness, love, and warmth, and to cut off someone's time in a particular body prematurely just because of who they are or what they have done is a hurtful and wasteful thing to do."

 (Well said. If only that were ultimately a truth everyone could live peacefully with...)

 "There are many humans who unfortunately hate us and want to kill us simply because we are kitsune, but there are plenty of kind souls, many that are close to becoming Bodhisattva, that also happen to be human."

 (Beautifully stated.)

 "This applies to other creatures as well, kitsune included."

 (First, I'd like to warn you against mixing Shinto and Buddhism. Often, young kits don't have the classical education I was fortunate to receive. however, I would share with you one major overtone: Mixing Shinto with Buddhism is dangerous, as it can lead to detrimental consequences 'internally'. Kitsune are strictly Shinto, even if humans want to mix their beliefs, we should not. Humans may be able to become Bodhisattvas, but we kitsune become Messangers. We're Inari's Children, not Buddhas.)

"If I could and would need to, I would teach her it is wrong to kill, and would tell her to not do it again."

 (I would not be so brash as to dare upset such a creature. For such a thing, she would take you under the thought that she would first make you like her, then slowly poison you to teach you not to dare ever begin to think about challenging what a master knows or has decided. Her choices were her own. She made her decisions. All of the Daughtery do. Even if they have a penchant for dark deeds, we cannot morally judge them. The gods allow them to exist. There's purpose to that. We can decide against -not- acting in their example (or following such an example), but that is all we should do.)

"I would personally prefer not to cross paths with her.  Regardless of your opinions of her, it seems that conflict follows her wherever she goes.  I feel it is unwise to chase after turmoil, it's only asking for something bad to happen to you."

 Very wise decision.

Posted by '?':

"And in Tamamo-san's case..." <--- (She would outright kill you for calling her that. Believe it. No hesitations. Instant death. No warrant. Personally. So would any of the Daughtery. Only the MAtrons and the Daughtery call each other that; using the -kun suffix, and that's still with spite between each other.)

 "I know she ran around Asia for a while, had some 'fun', some people died for better and worse, and regrettably (in my opinion) a lot of conflict was caused as a result and for that reason, people have made unnecessary judgments on her and others."

 (People tend to be judgmental given their pride, vanity and Narcissism.)

 "She was truly a cunning vixen... I'm thankful she promised never to harm another human after she was freed. I hope a human body is also bound to that promise..."

 (Maybe this is true. Maybe not. It could be a clever ruse. After all, 'the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.')

 "...though, it may be fun being chased around by such a lovely vixen." <--- (Do you have a death wish going on there?)

 "Sadly, she was consumed in her pain and darkness in her soul. A hundred years into her life, she would become the death stone, killing all that came near. She would suffer for three hundred more years before being released and saved by a monk."

 (I strongly want to believe that, but such strong magicks were used to bind her to that stone, I can't tell if she's there or not.)

 "Yes, I can definitely tell you she is." <--- {Reference to freed.}(*arches brows.* "Oh?") "She should have a few more years in her normal Kitsune life, but I'm sure she's foxed her way to earning more than a couple extra years. As for her current form...she's a damn good trickster. It really doesn't matter to most. She can trick even most kits, so good luck trying to figure it out on your own."

 (Heavily agreed on, as her Daughtery was just as cunning, trained by the head of the line herself. If they Daughtery is that cunning, I can only imagine those Dark Matrons themselves. -Pau Su, Mei Ling and Tamamo no Mae-)

 "Besides, she may listen if you call for her from you soul." <--- XO (If you're a good kitsune, you -DON'T- want to do that. SHE won't answer, but the Daughtery -will-. You don't want that to happen. Trust me.)

 "Sigh, listen up kids, SHE WILL NEVER HARM A HUMAN AGAIN. ... She was released promising never to kill a human." <--- (Are we sure we want to buy into Buddhist propaganda? Don't let your guard down just yet.)

 "So, unless you're a kitsune (and your human form is currently an active illusion) you are safe, which, so far, no one is." <---(Again, is Buddhist propaganda so ensuring? -I- wouldn't agree.)

 "Now, if your 'Otherkin' and do something stupid with her name, and she or someone close to her finds out, expect consequences." <--- (Heavily agreed.)

 "Worst off, they'll probably have fun with you for a while. Nothing too bad, but it'll be annoying as hell."

 (I don't agree. I've -seen- what the Daughtery can do. If they knew you said this, they'd probably make an example out of you just so that others knew -clearly- just how dangerous they are.)

Posted by Kuro:

 "Tamamo-no-mae was responsible for thousands of deaths across India and Asia; part of the story is that she was killing a family (whom had severely wronged her) off, but either way, it's murder."

 (Just how many families had she killed? You're right if 'Pau Su' got her origins that way. Most of the Mei Lings from China did the same thing, using the power of the Courts to get the jobs done.)

Posted by Taoki:

 "She is more than astrally alive. I'd be surprised if she hadn't taken residence in a new body long ago, again and again. Though she is as strongly connected to the spiritual realm even if she decides to harbor in a human body."

 (As far as Tamamo no Mae's soul itself, no one truly knows. Maybe others would -think- they know, just because they 'sense' what they 'think' is 'Tamamo no Mae's evil close by', but this is -definitely- an illusion. Most likely, it's one of the Daughtery close by. Believe me, the maliciousness of a demon, particularly an Oni-Kitsu, is 'cleanly' unmistakable. you -will- know fear. Hers isn't an aggressive evil (such as a warrior's sensation) but that of a cunning poison, like a snake ready to consume you, the poisons form the bite already seeping in. That's her mindset always. She doesn't 'plan' to bite you. In her mind, you're already bitten and are dying, you just don't know it, yet.)

 "That's so sad... reading that post, I would so much tend to say I would find her someone very nice to be with so I mostly feel warm feelings for her, mainly at the thought of a beautiful magical kitsune like that, if she was real. Probably she didn't kill anyone, or not without a reason. (Yes she did.) Hope whoever killed her still burns in the underworlds >.> (They probably are.) I am still even today so affected by what the kitsune slayers did.."

 (More than likely, the guy you find her would be poisoned, used as a sperm-donor, then tortured, killed, and likely eaten. And yes, she'd still love him. That's how she'd show him her love.)

"I still feel she has to be someone nice. I'm sure she would have never harmed me if I told her I like her and that I'm just a helpless little kit." <--- (*Waits for the fork, knife and bib to be placed on Tamamo no Mae's silhouette, then watched as the silhouette abandon the silverware and discard the bib, flexing her claws; preferring to be messy with her meal today.* "Lunch anyone?")

 "How can we dislike another kitsune just for killing some humans? She probably had her reasons, some know what humans do to us. Humans are the evil ones who hate us, and she could have only been a victim, more or less. Probably felt and lived a lot like me... poor poor darling, I just wish I could hug her."

 (I can assure you she lived a life that was nothing like yours. And if you hugged her? She'd likely decisively cut your arms off. Even her Daughtery hate to be touched, even by other females.)

 "She probably did what she did well >.>"

 (... After reading on a number of the things Pau Su herself wrote on the nature of torture?... I'd agree whole-heartedly.)

 "My poor foxy darling..." <--- You got a death wish too, don't you? Tamamo no Mae -HATED- cottling.) "...happy to know she's well. Yeah, could never get close to even seeing one of her great tricks most likely ^^ but I do hope I could meet her once, give her a hug or a kiss on her nose." <--- (Serious death wish?) "Tell her I've been sad too as a kitsune and not only, she's certainly good and loving even if she did some things."..."Yeah, my point has probably been a bit exaggerated too. But I'm too a young kit and just learn from things, make my own mistakes so often. But it is that I do truly feel for her as someone nice."

 (She'd eat you up. She sees self-pity as a weakness to be exploited and then stomped on. If her Daughtery is any set example of what she's like? Tamamo no Mae is severely unforgiving.)

 "I thought you really do know her though ^^ If you can astral travel you can probably meet her and many other known souls. I would really love meeting her though. I could just imagine curling up with her and hugging her and telling her my story as she tells me hers, since I think we both went through things." <--(Confirmed: Death  Wish.)

 (Trust me, the two of you don't have much of anything in common.)



Posted by Reiko:

 "Humans aren't evil, they're ignorant, foolish, selfish, blind to everything but wants.
Tamamo-no-Mae was in a position of power - why would she leave it? No reason I can see. After her subjects "found" that she was kitsune and began to chase her around Asia, she decided to take as much of them down as possible. Not because she viewed humans as "evil" but because they were so foolish and eager to believe anything. Why did they deserve to live if they fell for her tricks (and here I am referring to her Rock-Killing-Everything). She killed because she wanted to, and deemed it necessary."..."Tamamo-no-Mae is particularly fascinating. Simply, I rather wish I could meet her and learn her secrets. Role model indeed."

 (AHEM... I'll take it that your name says it all? To advisement, if you're a male, and the Daughtery heard you? And you actually attempted to learn her secrets? They'd probably kill you for metteling in their affairs. Though first, they'd probably rape you multiple times to ensure they all got a daughter, and they wouldn't be nice about it. 'Can't rape the willing'? I -PROMISE- you... -they can-)

Posted by TatsuKitsune:

 "I see someone looked at wikipedia for their reference about Tamamo-no-mae. One thing you all are forgetting is the -rest- of the legend. After she was killed, she became a stone, a stone that no life could abide. The Death Stone, any man or beast that touched the stone perished."..."Another little note about Tamamo-no-mae is that there is speculation that she appeared in both Indian, Chinese and Japanese mythology in sequence, hopping from one to the other, cataclysm and death following her."..."One of the reasons she was considered evil to the Japanese, the emperor was dying and the courtiers figured out it was her doing and discovered she was fox."

 (Someone does their homework. >^.^< You're heading in the right direction.)






Posted by Tsukiyomaru:

 "I wonder if Tamamo-san..." <--- (Again...She would outright kill you for calling her that. Believe it. No hesitations. Instant death. No warrant. Personally. So would any of the Daughtery. Only the Matrons and the Daughtery call each other that; using the -kun suffix, and that's still with spite between each other.) "...is still around... And I wonder on how she looks like...(Think of Death, as a beautiful woman. *waits a few seconds.* You're close enough.) Somehow, even after seeing some articles saying bad things about her, I STILL say that she isn't bad and I don't even know why...


 Posted by '?':

 "No, she's mischievous as hell know, her trickster experience is a pain in the ass, no, she's a pain in the ass."

 (I'd warn you against such speech, as it would anger the Daughtery.)

 "She's a good fox, just very mischievous like a great vixen should be with everyone else. Sure she made some mistakes, but she lives as a enlightened Kitsune now."

 (Perhaps so. Her spirit may be free, but her evil is most definitely, as said before, still within that stone, as is all of the other Dark Matrons' evils locked in that stone.)

 "She was not evil. A little bad, but never evil..."

 (Historically speaking, I think her actions speak louder than her words. Her deeds were of evil origins.)


Posted by Taoki:

"...But let me post it like this more clearly now; she has done wrong, and has done a lot of mistakes, I agree. But now she stopped, and understood what she has done was wrong. Can't you just forgive her for what she did in the past then?"

Posted by Kuro:

 "The WORST nogitsune in existance..."

 "<.< I don't care what she "promised" to do.  Lady Tamamo-no-Mae better never cross paths with me.  It's despicable what she did."

 (As for judgement on Tamamo no Mae's deeds or on herself? Some can say she was misunderstood. A few can say that she had an innate kindness.  Many can say she was evil; that her deeds speak more loudly than her words, but I would say to any of you:

 "Of those whom judge Tamamo no Mae and any of her line, for good or ill: How could you possibly judge someone who is your greater? No one should -dare- judge such an ancient female, either good or ill. One should just leave such a dark creature alone. Such judgments are better left for the gods alone.")

Posted by GoldKitsu:

 "Technically every person on this planet can carry out a death sentence if they want to. Of course not everyone does, but is there no situation where you won't do it?"

 (THAT... is a matter that should not be asked about, nor ever answered. It's far more than 'impolite'. It's insulting to life.)

Posted by Kuro:

 "@Salem:  So, you and your lady are allowed to just say when someone's time is up and then carry out the death sentence?  It seemed to me like only the gods were allowed that priviledge.  We're kitsune, not shinigami or omikami. We don't have the right."

 (*really arches his brows.*
 "Now THAT... definitely sounds like one of the Daughtery. My curiosity is piqued.")

Posted by Alynna:

 So.. you all are wondering about Tamamo no Mae, then. There's a number of misconceptions apparent in the system, but it's been a long time since those stories were written, so let me give some current information...

    * Yes, Tamamo no mae is still out and about in today's world.
    * Tamamo no mae is an influencing factor in the Aum Shinriyko cult.  I know that I can say this and it does not mean much just in that I have heard about it and know about it from other spirits, so i will point at another reference, too: http://http://www.kyotojournal.org/10,000things/039.html
    * Make no mistake that Tamamo no mae is evil.  She kills without remorse.  This does not necessarily mean that she is *bad*, just evil.  Sounds pretty c onfusing for me to say that, yes?
    * Oh, by the way, remember Salem?  He works and lives under Tamamo no Mae.  I've talked to him a long time about it.  I *do* believe that she talks through him at times.  I have no reason to believe he is not telling the truth about it, and I have felt her presence with him as I spoke to him.  Therefore I am not jumping on banning him from these forums if he chooses to show up, he will however have to follow codes of conduct I expect of everyone here.  I would find it interesting to have that point of view about.

 Long time no see, Alynna. Good to see you again, after a rather... long personal Haiatus.

 I'm glad to have finally gotten to see your site. I'm truly intrigued. I'm also... -Very- intrigued as to whom this 'Salem' is. You have my arches pinned to my scalp.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

I am very intrigued by this thread. Very well thought out and researched.

Also, *I* was Salem and you have my attention.

[Kira]

 
Remeber that change everlasting is what truly reigns this world.
Try as you wish, nothing and no one ever stays the same.
 
Thus I shall keep the words said in mind boxed up together with the salt and make my own mind up about it should I ever come up face to face with one of those.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

Remeber that change everlasting is what truly reigns this world.
Try as you wish, nothing and no one ever stays the same.
 
Thus I shall keep the words said in mind boxed up together with the salt and make my own mind up about it should I ever come up face to face with one of those.

Without change, there is no survival. It is the ability to adapt that keeps us alive.

[Kira]

 
Well, I dare say us foxes, we are quite skilled at that.
No matter where you go, foxes can be found at almost any inhabitable corner of the world.
Now foxes start to show up in cities to and are quite friendly wherever the humans are friendly to them.
 
Meeting one such a fox actually was one of my christmas presents.
A voucher that will give me a chance for a unique experience in spring.

[Kira]

 
By the way, Kirara...
Would you not make a few statements to what has been said here?
 
Especially since a connection between you and these vulpines of lore has been laid out by others.
I am sure that it would be very interesting to learn more about it.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

I posted here because I was more interested in speaking to the Okori Tenko since he has raised some fascinating points and introduced new theories.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

Posted by GoldKitsu:

 "Technically every person on this planet can carry out a death sentence if they want to. Of course not everyone does, but is there no situation where you won't do it?"

 (THAT... is a matter that should not be asked about, nor ever answered. It's far more than 'impolite'. It's insulting to life.)

It's far more insulting to truth to reject to seek all of it, no matter what it is.

This.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

Hmm nunya

[Valere]

From Okori

(Historically speaking, I think her actions speak louder than her words. Her deeds were of evil origins.)

Yes, because armies didn't rape, pillage, burn down entire places... Humans did "evil" stuff back then, but it was cool. Nowadays morals cannot be applied to the past. Or if you do misguidedly apply it, then do it to everyone equally.

From Okori quoting someone else and replying to it

"Technically every person on this planet can carry out a death sentence if they want to. Of course not everyone does, but is there no situation where you won't do it?"

 (THAT... is a matter that should not be asked about, nor ever answered. It's far more than 'impolite'. It's insulting to life.)

Says who? How is that impolite? You can go over crimes and condemn a being as entirely evil and bad, but a question like that is impolite? Che.

Also, it's such a relief you know so much Okori. That you have the definitive authority on this subject entirely. That is after all how you are trying to pass off your words, as Truth.

From Alyanna:

* Make no mistake that Tamamo no mae is evil.  She kills without remorse.  This does not necessarily mean that she is *bad*, just evil.  Sounds pretty c onfusing for me to say that, yes?

Actually, that does make sense. Dunno if I agree with your views on this Lady or not since I am not going to be over presumptuous and come to any sort of conclusion when I know I'm not privy to the entire story and that every and all accounts are inherently biased.

From Kirara

Quote from: Tsunami on April 16, 2011, 02:36:37 PM
Posted by GoldKitsu:

 "Technically every person on this planet can carry out a death sentence if they want to. Of course not everyone does, but is there no situation where you won't do it?"

 (THAT... is a matter that should not be asked about, nor ever answered. It's far more than 'impolite'. It's insulting to life.)

It's far more insulting to truth to reject to seek all of it, no matter what it is.
This.

That this. Or, That this that? Errr That that this... Um, yeah. x"D

Edit: Quoted stuff that way as this thread oddly enough refuses to quote stuff the normal way. o.o? wtf.

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