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[dormantlullaby]

Not sure if this is the best place for this, but I'm sure a mod or admin will move it if it has to be moved.

I was wondering if anyone could give me some insight, even opinion on this. For a bit here, I thought my boyfriend was a red fox. Generic red fox, typically seen when people say they are kitsune they automatically think "Oh, red fox. Yes.", well turns out... he was letting me assume this, but never went into detail about what type he was exactly. (And I smacked him for it!)

I finally did get it out of him. He said he's white, but also when he gets "revved up" when he's working in dreams/astrally or fighting there, he sort of glows. It's not an aura type thing, it's more so like he glows from the inside. Like an aged light bulb. A fire lit inside. So though his fur is white, with the glow it makes him look almost a golden-yellow glow. He's also mentioned that his form has a bit longer legs, and says that it resembles more of an arctic fox, even though from what I've seen red foxes have longer legs than arctic foxes. So that is a bit confusing, I think maybe its just an illusion that they are actually longer.

Anyways, I know that in kitsune stories and folk drawings there are mention to foxes that are either very light colored, or white. But I can't find any specific species type that would be all white, except the Arctic Fox, and they don't really live in Japan. That's one point.

They other point is to ask if this "glow" every has occurred in either lore or experience in this as a kitsune, or otherwise.

I understand that kitsune have what is called fox-fire, but I'm not sure how it all works exact and if it can behave as such.

Another point is that he says he's fire-ice type. And his body (and energy) is constantly balancing itself. So his element is not just fire, or not just ice. It's both. Anyone have dual element types that seem to contrast each other? Or is this not even related to kitsune?

[Kira]

 
Heh, elements, that's my cue.
I've worked out a twelve-element system for myself, and most of the time I do find myself in the middle.
It's odd, I should be a wind type, but whenever I think of that I see how much I like earth as well. Same goes for pretty much all elemental pairs.
In the past I used to be pretty extremely focused on one element, but also shifting between elements very quickly.
It's like I leveled off right in the middle at one point.
 
Well, it's okay I guess.
I do like the concept of balance, and it fits my zodiac as well.

[Seeker]

One thing I seem to mention alot is that there's at least two species of red fox in japan. And of course as with any animal there are albino, melanistic(dark or black) and piebald(partial albino) color mutations. I think the "glow" he's talking about sounds like a byproduct of releasing spiritual energy, it's probably not specific to kitsune.

As for elements, I don't think any of us "belong" to a specific element. We may have a favorite, certainly, but we aren't bound to it. And fox-fire isn't really fire, more like raw spirit. I suppose there's no reason you couldn't surround yourself with it.

A final note, it may be foolish to assume that a kitsune, ostensibly a spiritually ascended or evolved fox, conforms to the appearance of any terrestrial fox species precisely. Although personally when I was shown an image of myself as a kit I didn't appear to have anything distinguishing, other than being white in color.

[StormFox]

The glow is unlikely to be of physical or elemental nature, I'm guessing it's spiritual in nature. Possibly just giving off a lot of energy when 'revved up' as you say. The fox fire would fall in the same category, not elemental fire, but a spiritual 'something' that could be experienced as if fire.

The fire and ice elements... Does he prefer to use (feed off of them, use those energies more then others etc.) them? Does he get (relatively) get more energy from those elements (e.g. born or learned preference)? Elements on their own are a natural blur, everyone experiences them differently and will have own acknowledgments of what is an element and what isn't.

Wouldn't worry too much about the color of the fur really, there's still quite a lot of variation possible there.

[dormantlullaby]

Never thought the glow would be a physical thing, just thought I'd ask if any kitsune-kin had similar experience.

The fire and ice elements... Does he prefer to use (feed off of them, use those energies more then others etc.) them? Does he get (relatively) get more energy from those elements (e.g. born or learned preference)? Elements on their own are a natural blur, everyone experiences them differently and will have own acknowledgments of what is an element and what isn't.

Hmm, I would say yes. It seems he prefers ice and colder temperatures most of the time, but also has a sort of kinship (may be the wrong word) with fire.

[Kyuuji]

Ice and fire for me it's as been the same element but most say they a separate element

All living things need :
A land to live on it
Air to breath
Water to don't turn desidrated
And a living temperature
 By removing or combining them you can create what you want
I.E: remove eart you have void wih fire you have heat and light remove it you have cold...

[Kuro]

One thing I seem to mention alot is that there's at least two species of red fox in japan. And of course as with any animal there are albino, melanistic(dark or black) and piebald(partial albino) color mutations. I think the "glow" he's talking about sounds like a byproduct of releasing spiritual energy, it's probably not specific to kitsune.

As for elements, I don't think any of us "belong" to a specific element. We may have a favorite, certainly, but we aren't bound to it. And fox-fire isn't really fire, more like raw spirit. I suppose there's no reason you couldn't surround yourself with it.

A final note, it may be foolish to assume that a kitsune, ostensibly a spiritually ascended or evolved fox, conforms to the appearance of any terrestrial fox species precisely. Although personally when I was shown an image of myself as a kit I didn't appear to have anything distinguishing, other than being white in color.

It's usually very subtle; like being tan with black tips instead of darker tan, or maybe even just a sheen on your coat that's unusual.  Way way back, we were simply foxes that lived long enough and had gathered enough of a mass of information that allowed us to become more, or at least that's one folktale about it.

[Okori Tenko]

Hmm...

 *taps his chin then strokes his muzzle softly.*

 It's interesting to see that others are still researching. However, I'd like you to keep in mind that there -are- 'Elemental' kitsune and other Kemono Youkai like such. In the long run, he may well not be an Ainoko, but rather... extended in a complete circle. Ice that's deeply frozen can often 'burn with cold'. I've even seen things get so cold the appear to burn' with frozen chill. However, those were far past sub-zero temperatures. It's another possible aspect, as there -is- normally a 'Yin-Yang internal conflict'. When two elements of otherwise conflicting types are 'consumed', there is usually an elemental conflict that can occur inside.

 There -is- a possibility that his 'secondary element' was learned at a later date. Meaning, he was born 'cold', but learned the technique of fire. This is also a possibility, though fire is hard to learn for a 'cold kitsune'.

 For those 'Elemental Kitsune', those whom are more bound to elements have harsh times when 'crossing breeds'. Those kitsune born with two elements are considered, and not nicely, as 'Ainoko', or 'Crossbreeds'. Those whom do have two elements often have 'complimenting elements', never ones that 'conflict'. That's kind of the rule. There's is a boarder between opposites that even supernaturals have to obey. However, those two base elements 'call', as every singular based Elemental Kitsune has a 'call' from their singular element they are bonded to. Unfortunately for Ainoko, this can be severely maddening, often driving the young fox mad, which is why many Ainoko are...

 Well, let's just say few survive any which way you go.

 There are just a very small handful of 'Sandangami Hinshu', or 'Three Way' Elemental Kitsune. They are extremely rare... and most are either completely mad, or getting there. At least until their elements level out.

 Consider Ainoko to be dangerous, as until they have their elements under control, they may not have any. It takes three centuries for an Ainoko to gain elemental, emotional and spiritual control. It takes a Sandangami Hinshu Seven centuries. Why three and seven?

 Ainoko: 2 elements, then both elements combined.

 Sandangami Hinshu: 3 elements, 5 combinations, and multiple manifestations of those combination. For any Sandangami Hinshu, it's a miracle any of them at all survive. To my understanding, only a literal handful survive; 15 at most.

 Fortunately, there are no 'Elemental Kemono Youkai' with more than 3 Elemental Bases. Something would conflict somewhere inside them. That's a law that all 'Elemental' kitsune are in the need to know area.

 Aside from that, the 'glow' is from the ephemera consumed. The Ephemera that is used by everything is raw. Once it comes into contact with a physical element/becomes a part of the element, it makes the element strong. It also gains an 'elemental taint'. In other worlds, it's no longer 'raw'. The ephemera is now 'Earth Ephemera'. It's this stuff all kitsune feed on from the elements. It also gives off a very slight glow. Enough concentrated can make one glow, depending on how much is stored, and how active it is, and how active the kitsune is.

 There are kitsune that are attached to Elements, and then there are some that are... yugen garandou, or 'mysteriously empty'...

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