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[Kyousuke]

Heh. There's a reason I don't follow any religion, and the things GoldKitsu said is why. First of all, saying that everyone's path is different is very true. And the second part, with the seas, is something I can barely conceive, much less understand or talk about.

And I do not think it's something I need to understand. What I'm looking for in life isn't something for which I need to understand the infinite or truth or whatever you would like to call it, indeed I think doing so is rather pointless given that I feel a much stronger desire to find happiness in the material world, in simple pleasures, in family and friends, than in some deep understanding.

I said earlier, I think that when we find the answer we're looking for, it will be something incredibly simple that was overlooked or ignored. I'd be more than happy to speak my mind on things, but deep spiritual discussions are beyond me because my spirit is not very deep 

I'm starting to see the validity of everyone having their own unique path. You see it as something simple while I've been striving for complete understanding. I guess there are all kinds and none of them are necessarily wrong. All roads could lead to the same place eventually, some are just easier to traverse than others. I wasn't trying to turn it into some kind of religion. I just feel like I need something ridged so I have a goal to focus on. Otherwise I feel lost for some reason.

[tsukos]

Oh my, I wasn't trying to suggest you were turning it into a religion. I'm sorry if that's what it sounded like.

And I see your point, having something rigid and goals to focus on so you don't feel lost.

For me, being lost isn't a travesty, merely a detour, and I see every reason to take my time and enjoy everything I can, lost or not. This discussion for example. I'm totally lost on a lot of it, but that doesn't mean it's not fun, and I might learn something new along the way.

[Kira]

I'm not sure why but I've always had a tendency to attempt to apply complexity to everything, needed or not. I'm not sure if I struggle with simplicity because I just can't believe anything can actually be so simple or if my mind is wired differently or something I don't know. It just feels like things need to be complicated  for me or I will either not trust it or will overlook it.

Heh, I noticed that. Your posts always appear like you just returned from a sale in text-wallmart.
 
I do have to admit that I regularly lose track of what exactly you're saying, so I just stick with the general idea.
 
Deep down all things are simple. It's only as more and more simple things become entagled with one another that things start getting complicated. So I do it like with an entangled thread of yarn: I try to un-tangle it one step at a time until it's simple again. That's great for working together with others, plus you may get to see things that were hidden in the tangle before.
 
Sometimes the answer is so easy once you actually see it. Maybe that goes for the tail-question too.
 
Oh yeah, and about foxes an dragons.
There has been a discussion about that somewhere already, but it got derailed.
Basically, I beleive that foxes and dragons are very much the same.
It's like there's one connecting piece still missing, but it's so close.
 

[Seeker]

I hate to sum up such deep conversation so shortly, but this reminds me of the saying, "it's not the destination, it's the journey that counts."

I believe we all have within ourselves an "inner universe", our own little piece of reality made of all our desires, and fears, and experiences, and our "soul" is closely linked to it. In my opinion the "eightfold path" and other buddhist principles, indeed to dogma of all religions prevent us from building onto and exploring our own soul, by imprisoning our reality within a mold it may or may not have been meant to fit.

[Kyousuke]

I'm not sure why but I've always had a tendency to attempt to apply complexity to everything, needed or not. I'm not sure if I struggle with simplicity because I just can't believe anything can actually be so simple or if my mind is wired differently or something I don't know. It just feels like things need to be complicated  for me or I will either not trust it or will overlook it.

Heh, I noticed that. Your posts always appear like you just returned from a sale in text-wallmart.
 
I do have to admit that I regularly lose track of what exactly you're saying, so I just stick with the general idea.
 
Deep down all things are simple. It's only as more and more simple things become entagled with one another that things start getting complicated. So I do it like with an entangled thread of yarn: I try to un-tangle it one step at a time until it's simple again. That's great for working together with others, plus you may get to see things that were hidden in the tangle before.
 
Sometimes the answer is so easy once you actually see it. Maybe that goes for the tail-question too.
 
Oh yeah, and about foxes an dragons.
There has been a discussion about that somewhere already, but it got derailed.
Basically, I beleive that foxes and dragons are very much the same.
It's like there's one connecting piece still missing, but it's so close.
 

Thanks. I apologize again for the lengthy posts. I don't feel like I'm very good at communicating so I guess I jump through all kinds of hoops trying to get my messages across. I will try to focus more in future posts so that the meaning isn't lost. These discussions help me more than you may realize... or not. I will seek simplicity and unravel complex things so that I may see the simplicity in everything. The simplest things are the building blocks of everything else. There is a certain peace that is associated  with it. I like that.

[Kyousuke]

I hate to sum up such deep conversation so shortly, but this reminds me of the saying, "it's not the destination, it's the journey that counts."

I believe we all have within ourselves an "inner universe", our own little piece of reality made of all our desires, and fears, and experiences, and our "soul" is closely linked to it. In my opinion the "eightfold path" and other buddhist principles, indeed to dogma of all religions prevent us from building onto and exploring our own soul, by imprisoning our reality within a mold it may or may not have been meant to fit.

Yes, the journey. That is very important, but is the journey ever truly over? Perhaps it is something more eternal like others have expressed. Limiting ourselves to requirements or a process or ultimate goal may actually prevent us from growing. Our soul is something metaphysical and cannot be bound if it is to improve. Noted and much appreciated.

[Kira]

 
It can be quite tricky with these goals.
Some people have goals that can be fulfilled only to realize once they reach those goals they have nothing more to do. Revenge would make an exzellent example for this.
 
For me, this is quite easy.
I want to live among foxes.
And I can do that for all the remainder of my life, so no worries there.
 

[tsukos]

I'm looking for something. I have no idea what it is, where to find it, or why I'm looking for it, but I'm still on that path. If I do ever find it, then whatever I find isn't what I'm looking for. 

If that makes any sense at all. I suppose I could also explain it as looking for everything, but that's no more informative and makes less sense to me. Essentially, it's a goal, a destination I know I'll never reach, and so my goal is actually to enjoy the neverending road that leads to my goal.

Does any of that make sense?

If I find enlightenment along the way, so be it. I'll probably drop it off at the nearest rest stop 

[Kyousuke]

Searching... looking for something to look forward to, something to live for and open to receive anything that may be found along the way... Hmm..   

[Kira]

 
Hope is a pretty important factor on that too.
Hope is the confidence that you will reach your dream one way or another.

[Kyousuke]

I've noticed that many people seem to be searching for something but they can never quite put their finger on it. Maybe we are looking for everything, or nothing at all. We could possibly be too focused. The key could be for us to just let go. What I mean is not to "give up" but free ourselves from any kind of attachment to anything. We purge ourselves of it all and at that point we're ready to receive the answer. That could be the trick. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but the answer could be something much less straightforward or obvious than we may believe.

Hope is a good word for it. Perhaps just believing in hope and having confidence in what it may bring with it is all we need.  

[Kira]

 
I just follow the wind.
Seeing where it will take me.
I want to live among the foxes...
But right now I have no idea how.
So I'll leave it up to my friends ...
And Evans, knowing they guide me.
That way I'll reach my goal for sure.
 

[Kyousuke]

I just follow the wind.
Seeing where it will take me.
I want to live among the foxes...
But right now I have no idea how.
So I'll leave it up to my friends ...
And Evans, knowing they guide me.
That way I'll reach my goal for sure.
 

If you think about it, you are already living among foxes in a way. It may not be in the form you desire, but we are here and all around the world. If you believe you are among foxes, then you will be among foxes. If you wish to live as a fox, then walk as a fox, live as a fox, and even if it's only in yours or the eyes of a select few, then you will be a fox living among foxes. I shall acknowledge the truth of your vulpinity and I would gladly walk with you, if only you should walk with me in return. We are a secretive bunch, aren't we? Only a select few would reveal their true identities, or maybe that's just my outlook.

[Seeker]

If you wish to live as a fox, then walk as a fox, live as a fox, and even if it's only in yours or the eyes of a select few, then you will be a fox living among foxes. I shall acknowledge the truth of your vulpinity and I would gladly walk with you, if only you should walk with me in return.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Kira]

 
This is a safe haven for me.
A place where I can relax from the chaotic dance.
But really, I want to live in a foxes world, regardless of where it is, or if I have to build it by myself.
Here, there, anywhere...
Home is where the foxes are.
 

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