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[nashi]

upon learning something that shall stay personal and private, I decided to leave this forum. Whether you believe it or not kirara, this isn't to do with you but to do with myself and alynna.

[matoa]

Welcome, nashi.

I have a free fortune cookie for you, unfortunately Firefox ate the cookie but you can still have the fortune.

Your troubles have not ended, but the present is always beautiful if looked at through the proper light.

 

[Taoki]

Hello mommy <3 Happy to see you here, welcome

[tsukos]

Wow. You're a rare sort of person. Your words ring with something I've seen only a few times over the course of my life, and which I still don't understand well enough to describe adequately. Preeminent among the things I can distinguish is total honesty: none of this is lied about, fudged, or evaded, and that's so rare in itself that you can't help but be outcast from a society that, in effect, depends upon some sort of lie in order to function properly. I'm glad you've found people and a place you can be yourself in, and I welcome you.

[Seeker]

I know how it is with the name, my "journey" so to speak has only gone on about three years, maybe five if you count the first inklings I had. "seeking" was simply what I was doing at that time, but it has grown to mean much more to me.

I agree with tsukos. You have a refreshing frankness about you. You're eloquent for the sake of eloquence rather than illusion. I look forward to hearing more from you, sounds like your path has been a fruitful one.

[tsukos]

*blush* thank you   Yes, I am terribly outcast here...I can only hope that my journey takes me somewhere I fit in better next life.  The best I can describe what I am is whitehearted, near all pure good... there are almost no human terms for what I am.

Heh. Very few people can claim such a thing without my suspicion. In your case it feels woefully inadequate a description.

It's always been my belief that you don't find a place to fit in. You make one for yourself, and one is made for you by others. If they don't match at least reasonably well, it can only lead to pain, but when they do it's the most wonderful feeling in the world. I hope you'll be able to experience that in this life, instead of having to wait for the next.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

Welcome.

The following might anger you, but it needs to be stated. I am simply the messenger:

Some months ago, I was introduced to Taoki and soon after Alynna, and immediately felt very keenly in my heart that I had a very special relationship with them both... that Alynna is one of my spiritual parents (the creator of my spirit along with another) and Taoki is one of my spiritual children.

I had already been on a very long (some 30 year) spiritual journey of self discovery and had awoken myself many years ago, but never found family until just recently.  I believe I know why this was the case for me, but this is not the time nor the place to explain that.

Ugh, not another one (as in the whole "related" to Alynna thing). Okay, we need something a little more solid than "I feel a strong connection to blah blah blah" that explains why you believe this is so. You say "you know," so kindly explain what makes you believe this as a fact without a doubt. (What you stated so far says nothing.)

Through those many years of deep soul searching, meditation, and self discovery, I believe I have come to understand the form I belong in... which is similar to Alynna in large amount.  I had asked her how she saw me, and everything clicked nearly perfectly, my own internal vision of myself was almost exactly what Alynna had described of how my spirit, what I call my true form, looks like.

I'd like to also point out that with things like this, there is no way of knowing for sure if either [1] this "form" was suggested to you, [2] you suggested it to the other person, or [3] there was some misinterpretation or even [4] wishful thinking.

And as for your "true form," it is human. This is your "true form" because [1] it can be scientifically verified, [2] it is a fact beyond all reasonable doubt, [3] you cannot physically shape-shift. The term "true form" refers to whom you really are (as in your physical self while using a disguise), and I am very sure this does not apply to you. The only other way I have seen the term used is in role-play.

I know you are referring to your spiritual identity, but this is most definitely not the way to refer to it as it gives off the wrong impression (that you are a liar or role-player).

I believe I have two primary true forms which I shift between...

Sorry, but unless you are role-playing, a fox cannot "shape-shift." This is a known (and common) misinterpretation of Japanese Shinto and Buddhist mythology. Japanese fox spirits do not physically shape-shift. They are illusionists whom take on the likeness of something else through skilled disguises (or, well, illusions).

and an orange colored anthropomorphic fox woman which has antennae and a sort of pastel-pearlescent pair of butterfly wings.

Okay, now this is starting to get ridiculous. If you are seeking the role-play forum, this is not it. Please go here instead.

If you aren't rolplaying, you need to do some serious explaining as to why you believe (and why we should believe) you have antennae and butterfly wings. Off the bat, I am going to simply state these are your own additions for personalising "your character" to seem unique.

This again is something I have meditated and soul searched on for many years and Alynna has also stated I look like to her.  My true form is very important to me, a very large part of who I am which is why I state it here.

Simply meditating and having someone else agree with you is not sufficient proof. It isn't even enough to form a solid defense to show logical reasoning.

This is an image someone found on the internet for me which most closely represents how I believe my true form looks.

Sorry, but no. An image from the Internet does help us see what you are describing, but it does not help your reasoning.

note Im not trying to talk of powers, gifts, abilities, or any such thing here, just my personality

Why would you? I hope you don't actually believe you have any. ... ... ... ... Right?

Anyway, to conclude: Nothing stated in your intro thusfar actually explains with logical reason why you believe you are a Japanese fox spirit. You have the opportunity to do so, but until then, I cannot believe you as I have reason to believe you seem to have a somewhat difficult time separating games/pretending from reality. My apologies.

If anyone is interested, I have my own private website with a very extensive "about me" page

I will check it out later when I have more time.

All formalities and criticisms aside, nice to meet you.

[Edit] Also, please do not start with the whole "zomg mommy i lurv j00 lololol!!!11one" and role-play-pounce stuff. You just came here and it will be difficult to take you seriously off the bat. It will also permanently earn you the label of role-player. This is not the place for that, especially if you are going to do it every single time Taoki or Alynna posts.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

First and foremost I would like to say that I suffer from many debilitating physical problems, so I will not be able to "write a book" here explaining everything about myself all at once, please be understanding as I come back and add information to this "introduction" post as this broken body allows.

Interesting how you quoted everything but this. if you give me time, I will expand on my whole post.

I intentionally left that out and I understand. But that doesn't mean I can't criticise your post/you or ask questions. Your situation does not excuse you from answering questions. If you don't want to be analysed, don't post.

[Kira]

upon learning something that shall stay personal and private, I decided to leave this forum. Whether you believe it or not kirara, this isn't to do with you but to do with myself and alynna.

Oh my looks like you scared her away Kirara. Didn't your mother teach you that foxes are easily startled?
 
I wsa going to make a post here about how surprised I was and that I never expected to be taking Kirara's side for once, and concluding about only how time will tell the truth, but I guess time did already tell, and it pronounced Kirara victorious.
 

 
Somehow a pity though.
I would have preferred to get more data on her first.

[tsukos]

Phoo... okay, so many different things to say to so many different people, so many different views to sort through...

Let's start with Nashi.

You just suddenly withdrew from the forum less than an hour ago as of writing this sentence. I don't know why this is and I don't think I should pry, but that doesn't stop me from wondering. You say it's something with Alynna, and I have to believe that, but I wonder what could any two people have between them that would necessitate leaving a forum which can be accessed from anywhere in the world.

Now Kirara: I see a lot of questions, and I do believe they need to be answered. What I disagree with is the tone in which they are asked, which conveys a rather contemptuous loathing of all unproven things rather than simple inquiry. I understand why you have such a contempt of something so illogical, but letting it seep this much into your questions turns a simple list of questions into a biased-sounding interrogation. I don't mean to demean or to insult, but merely to provide some perspective on how it sounds not to me, as I personally find it rather neccessary and proper, but to other people.

Now Kira: Nashi said herself that it's not Kirara's fault. I have absolutely zero reason to believe that she's lying about that, and I think we'd all appreciate it if accusations weren't placed where they're not deserved.

[Kira]

 
That's the weight of that last sentence.
Let me phrase it out here again for better understanding:
I regret that she left in such a hurry and without giving any reasons, since I would have been glad to get to know her and where she was coming from.
 
But now she's gone...

[Keiluna]

=( That bites... I was wanting to say hey and everything here after people posted.


But oh well.


Kirara did say that what she was going to say might anger her/you (if you're reading this Nashi), and that's seeming to be a step for Kirara, since her apology post. Honestly that entire post did seem to be a bit gentle, though stern.


Kira: She also deleted some posts, too. So it seems rather like the thread got pruned, if it weren't for some quotes. It would have been awesome to get to know her a bit more, yes.


Also, and I don't know the kind of weight these sites hold, but there are some places that say that even the most absurd things can very possibly be real. There are some therians that feel wings that shouldn't be with their animalside, like a panther or wolf. Some otherkin, and I find this kind of silly, feel that they are this weird kind of alien. Multi-jointed and -legged and the like with heads insectoid and three feet long with a small beaklike mouth and dragonfly-like wings. It does sound slightly RPish that Nashi feels the kind of creature she is, but then again, Alynna's felt to be a fox with butterfly wings, if I remember correctly. What's not to say that Nashi is a bit more butterfly than that?

I know I don't hold much weight here, am most likely just a confused human wishing she could be otherwise, be special and all that without wanting to actually wish it, but that's about the best argument I can come up with.

[Seeker]

Sigh.

[Alynna]

This is basically a ragequit, and it upsets me greatly.  
Basically I told her that I didn't think she took challenges and criticism well and it escalated into hell.

Grr.

(added)
More specifically, I was discussing with her on IRC about her post and she stated she thought Kirara was trolling her, but I stated she was challenging her to consider her statements ..
then I stated that either she needed to learn how to take challenges and criticism (because most people face some of that here), or she might want to consider not being here because I felt it would bring her a world of hurt.

Then things escalated to hell.

Its alot longer than that, and maybe later i'll talk more about it but right now I is tired fox 

[tsukos]

Oh my. Murrrr... Alynna, have you read Nashi's blog?

I did. She's faced this sort of thing several times before. She didn't come here to hear someone tell her she won't be accepted, which is exactly what you just said to her. I can see you obviously didn't mean to, but as soon as possible you may want to track her down and apologize if you haven't already. She's not a creature of resilience, and she's probably horribly sad about it right now.

I can tell she's already taken her share of 'challenges and criticism', just from reading a few things. I can also tell it's not possible for her to just 'take them' as you say. She's hardwired to be trusting and kind, and the sort of things Kirara does are just... incomprehensibly mean to her. As an earlier post of mine pointed out, she can't help but feel outcast in a world of liars.

I wanted to make her comfortable. *sigh* now that chance is lost, maybe forever. Kirara's hard questioning and a no-doubt well-meant scrap of advice have combined in the swirls of chance to drive away yet another of the people I have most desired to know in all my life.

 

Edit: I finally figured out what was so irritating about Kirara's questioning. The repeated accusations of roleplaying were unnecessary, demeaning, and just plain rude. They add nothing to the questions except to fling shit in faces and rub salt in wounds. It's not even the accusation itself, but the repetition of it that is so hard to swallow. It says you think this whole thing is a joke and that you have already formed an opinion that will never be overcome, making you unlikely to listen to a valid response. I'm not even certain that's entirely false in your case.

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