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[Kuro]

They stole most of that from many of the messenger kami's roles.

Most messenger kami can perform many of the same rituals as the higher priests, but it's when that messenger kami is ALSO a high priest that things REALLY get interesting.

To give an example breakdown of a messenger kami's abilities and then a priest's abilities;

(NOTE:  These may be erroneous; I'm not one hundred percent sure all of these are correct, and I KNOW I'm leaving things out.

Kami:
can purify other kami and human souls (taken by Bleach)
can become tainted by feeding from certain energy sources (the hollows in bleach)
can see other kami (")
can see and utilize energies ("; picture the Quincy bow.  That's pure energy)
Can cross between the astral and physical realm (taken by Bleach, slightly less effort needed than humans, however, a guide is usually needed for the first few trips to an astral location)

Priests:
can purify kami and human souls (once a high enough skill and rank is attained)
can see kami (Read explanation below)
can see and utilize energies (USUALLY, sometimes it doesn't work as well, hence why only some humans in Bleach can see hollows)
can write and utilize seals and sutras, barring entrance and sometimes fighting against kami (same as explanation one, have to be right skill and rank)
Can cross between the astral and physical realms with effort (")

Kami+Priest:
purify most corruptions, even in very powerful kami
can see kami naturally, without trying
can see and utilize energies with great skill
can write and utilize seals and sutras to their full extent (so long as they're careful not to harm themselves with them)
usually have a great personal connection to many of the Omikami, and can travel back and forth between the astral and the physical at will to see them.

[GekkouKitsune]

I hate Naruto. Nuff said. XD

I'd like that show... if it weren't for him. O.o; Sorry if you're a fan or something. I just never liked him. He screams too much and is so naive.

In fact, although I usually keep it hidden, I typically don't like much anime. The only stuff I like is .hack//sign, Detective Conan, and Bobobo-bo Bobobo. Strange but true. That's 3 out of like................. too many to count.

I've always said I could take Naruto 1 on 1. =P While he's too busy taking his hand signals....... lol.

Not to really take away from the actual art of that. I respect that. But Naruto? He'd like, sing the cheesy poof song....

Bummer.

Yeah, that's my opinion on it. My opinion's already gotten me into trouble tonight. Since there's already a.... deeper discussion going on here, feel free to just disregard my post since it's not really all that much. I just don't like him. And that's that.

So much for brotherly love.

[Aine]

I actually do like Naruto as a character, though even within the fandom itself he is not very well liked. His personality makes me happy, honestly sometimes I don't think there's enough people like him in the world. Somewhat naive but generally a happy person who wants to change the world for the better.

Ah, really? You know, it's not like he uses jutsu that take like 30 seconds to do all the hand signs (or any at all, in case of Rasengan). But I digress, this is not a thread about whether any of us could win against a 12 year old trained to kill if necessary. XD

Um, anyway, to add something more to this - this isn't something spiritual at all, the character Deidara is based off of the artist Taro Okamoto to some extent and at one point references the Superflat art movement. Goes to show that not everything in Naruto is based off of things from mythology, I suppose.

[Taoki]

Well, to say it simply, if the show does not say anything bad about kitsunes and does not make us look bad... I either like it, dislike it, or don't care. If it says something bad about us, then I hate it Never seen it like I said so I don't know exactly.

[Seeker]

I've seen it, and it portrays all of the tailed beasts as evil, and has them trying to wrest control away from the person they're sealed in. One character, Gaara, has been so twisted both by the manipulation of the Beast and by the treatment he got from others as a child that he is basically pure evil. The kid literally lives only to cause death and fear. All the Tailed Beasts are kind of lumped together with that image as being just horrible, even if the people they're sealed inside aren't. Of course a main plot device for the show is the treatment the "human sacrifices" get as a result of their stigma, and the pain it causes them. This could be interpreted as a statement against such judgement, but I really don't know whether that was the intent.

Also interesting is that in the show they demonstrate a traditional training exercise of Konohagakure designed to increase focus and build chakra- holding a leaf to one's forehead.

On the hand sign things, I'd like to point out those are actually based on a real thing. They're called Kuji-in, and are used in traditional eastern medicine, spiritual practice and martial arts training.

I'd like that show... if it weren't for him. O.o; Sorry if you're a fan or something. I just never liked him. He screams too much and is so naive.

BELIEVE IT!

They had a game on the DS i think it was and he yelled that like every other word. Sooooo annoying.

Edit- I spelled Konohagakure wrong. Me being picky. meh.

[Ash-Fox]

I... kind of had an idea I also posted on another topic (probably on KP)... does anybody know any of the people who create the Naruto show(s)? If so, could anybody try to point them to topics here, and ask them if they could read it and understand that real kitsunes are not evil, and if they want to slightly change the storyline over that topic in the future series?

I honestly think he or she would think everybody is a freak if they read the topics here.

I mean, they'd love to have their toon based on more real things, and if we could show them and convince them we are kitsune spirits and are how we are, they may change that. Then again, they may not even believe it, I have no idea how the people who make that are. But maybe we could try... what do you think?

They're unlikely to change the base Naruto story.

[Aine]

Ha ha, I really can imagine Masashi Kishimoto (the author/artist) freaking out after declaring that the series (manga-wise) will be done in a couple of years, already probably having most/all of that planned out, only to be figuratively chased down with pitchforks to change what he's been working on for almost a decade. Can you imagine if you put your heart into something for that long only to be told "you need to change it"?

(Then again, the actual fans of Naruto themselves want stuff changed all the time, but it's usually whether a character should live or die rather than changing the basis of the story itself.)

[kentenko]

Let me clear something else up.

The Kyubi in the Naruto storyline is never referred as a kitsune but as a yoko. A fox, since yoko quite literally means fox. However due to the fact that it has nine tails and kitsunes have multiple tails many people draw that as the kyubi being a kitsune. I will say right now that the kyubi does not have any properties of a kitsune. First it's a demon, even though there are good demons. Second it has no magical abilities what-so-ever, just an enormous amount of energy and immortal like regenerative capabilities. Third, before it got sealed the kyubi had the intelligence of a wild animal or rabid dog, it is after it get's sealed that it is able to speak. The reason being that it absorbed Naruto's own vocabulary and knowledge adding it to it's own. Also the reason why Shukaku was able to speak was for similar reasons. Sorry about this but just being a bit factual here. Oh and the three tailed beast is supposed to be a type of Kappa.

[Aine]

In Japanese, a fox by any other name is still a kitsune.

[kentenko]

Yeah I know that but the Kyubi is known as Kyubi no Yoko...

[Aine]

It doesn't matter.
Kyubi no Yoko is still a kitsune because it is a fox.
Not because of its tails, or special powers, or anything like that.

[Seeker]

The problem is most waaaanime fans won't know/care the difference between kitsune(referring to the mundane vulpes japonica) and a kitsune (referring to the shinto fox spirit). So any and all reference to foxes in Japanese-related media will reflect on kitsune (shinto spirit) because the audience doesn't know any better.

[aaarhus]

According to some sources and possibly a bit of common sense... the vulpes vulpes and kitsune are seen as one and the same...

 

"Regular foxes" are quite interesting all by their selves as it is...

[aaarhus]

I have...? Otherwise I wouldn't have made such a statement...?

I mean... this was coming out of one of your sources Salem.

Then again, this isn't the topic for that... sorry. If you want to continue it let's make a new topic unless they have one already?

[Hakuzo NightFox]

I actually enjoy Naruto very well  . The show is very surprising with what it does have is great if you can get past some of the wacky moments. It has a very deep storyline, sadly it protrays us as evil :<.

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