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Naruto: Clearing up Some Misconceptions
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Aine
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Naruto: Clearing up Some Misconceptions
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September 20, 2007, 09:52:09 PM »
Being a kitsune who is not offended in any way about Naruto, I wanted to clear up some misconceptions I've been seeing. I'm not encouraging you to like it, but I think hating a series is a bit unnecessary, so I present to you some somewhat disorganized writings on various aspects of Naruto that relate to kitsune. ^_^
Oh, and an addendum to this: Don't be taking the series too seriously, either. Can't believe I forgot to say that.
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September 21, 2007, 02:57:58 AM »
Thanks for this summary bit - I myself have never heard of Naruto (and am not too familiar with Japanese manga or anime in general) - so this is interesting.
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September 21, 2007, 05:46:25 AM »
O.o' Woah, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you knew enough about Naruto to practically be the creator of it.
Any who, I don't really have anything against Naruto having an evil Kitsune character in it. >_<' I just really dislike that anime in general, despite it's unique art style watching twelve year old children doing immense ninja skills is not how I'd like to spend a half hour of my time.
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September 21, 2007, 10:23:40 AM »
Heh heh, well, I think a lot of it comes from hanging around Naruto LJ communities and hearing people talk about the source books, one of which I own.
I actually never thought Naruto's art style was particularly unique among anime. XD It has its own recognizable look, but it's still pretty general shounen style.
Hmm. Monique, I would say you first saw/heard about it during the Chuunin Exam arc, because someone who sees a few episodes of that is likely to think that's all there is to it (the fights). Personally, I think the plot and character interactions are quite intriguing, and I do think the battles tend to be dragged on a bit sometimes.
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September 22, 2007, 01:54:34 PM »
Many of the villages, even the non-ninja-villages, can be traced to the 13 elements. Don't forget that, now.
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September 22, 2007, 03:48:39 PM »
Yeah, I had thought about that, but because I wasn't exactly sure what corresponds to what at the time of writing, and didn't want to be terribly inaccurate. The "Five Great Shinobi Countries", of course, are named after the five element system within the series, and those each closely each map to an element from the 13 element system (Fire, Wind, Water [Ocean], Earth, Lightning [Thunder]).
Then the only other ones I'm certain of, before the anime-only filler arcs are gotten into, are River and Sound.
It makes me wonder if all of the elements will be covered before the manga ends, and if some of the ones from anime filler arcs count.
Edit: Konoha might possibly count for Forest, but Suna and the other villages of the Five don't seem to have any sort of counterpart in the 13 element system.
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September 23, 2007, 04:35:10 AM »
I... kind of had an idea I also posted on another topic (probably on KP)... does anybody know any of the people who create the Naruto show(s)? If so, could anybody try to point them to topics here, and ask them if they could read it and understand that real kitsunes are not evil, and if they want to slightly change the storyline over that topic in the future series?
I mean, they'd love to have their toon based on more real things, and if we could show them and convince them we are kitsune spirits and are how we are, they may change that. Then again, they may not even believe it, I have no idea how the people who make that are. But maybe we could try... what do you think?
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September 23, 2007, 09:29:17 AM »
I think that would be incredibly brash, and I'd advise against it as early as things are right now.
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September 23, 2007, 09:43:47 AM »
Why not? It's not like they could hurt us or anything. That would just show them kitsunes are good in reality, and the beliefs over which they do Naruto are wrong and just classic modern things. If they changed and would talk nice about us, no one would have any reasons to hate that toon, and as common as it is it would show everyone who is a fan that in the end, kitsunes are good. Just what I think... maybe a try wouldn't be such a bad idea. The worst that could happen is that someone from the Naruto staff will say this site is just a weird place, not pay any attention, and forget in a few weeks.
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September 23, 2007, 10:33:13 AM »
Well, the only person to talk to would be Masashi Kishimoto himself, since the anime is based on the manga. Talking to the people who make the anime won't really make a difference, if they'll even listen.
Personally, it would bother me immensely to see Kyuubi no Youko changed into a "good" character without good reason, and to see the storyline changed from what it was meant to be.
I think Masashi Kishimoto realizes his little project for the last 8 years isn't exactly canon to kitsune legend, and is fine with that, because it's his series and if he listened to the most popular opinions of what to do with it, the series would probably be a yaoi manga by now, seriously.
Why does this even bother you if you don't even watch it? Certainly Pokemon is no more based on real things than Naruto is with the amount of Pokemon that are based of off youkai. I don't know if you play/watch/read that but either way, you aren't complaining about that one.
And I certainly can't say I can look at kitsune lore and say "Oh, kitsune are all good". It's more like "Oh, some are good, some are evil, and a lot are neutral." There's only one kitsune in the series - and that one happens to be evil. It's not like saying they all are.
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Why does this even bother you if you don't even watch it?
Mainly cuz I heard it has a lot of influence on people, and it saddens me that so many are going to think we're bad if they believe whatever they say there. Also, with that influence it could "inform" many people kitsunes are good. But maybe you're right. Probably we worry too much about that toon.
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September 23, 2007, 03:11:01 PM »
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Why does this even bother you if you don't even watch it?
Mainly cuz I heard it has a lot of influence on people, and it saddens me that so many are going to think we're bad if they believe whatever they say there. Also, with that influence it could "inform" many people kitsunes are good. But maybe you're right. Probably we worry too much about that toon.
Most people don't believe in kitsune though, so it won't make a difference to them what a popular anime says about them, whether it is something positive or negative.
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September 24, 2007, 02:45:37 PM »
Right, but see, the few people who use Naruto like a bible to eastern philosophy think i'm some kind of soul-sucking leech. <.<;
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September 24, 2007, 07:05:46 PM »
Or worse, they believe anyone who calls themselves a kitsune is someone trying to be cool with anime junkies and has no respect for themselves.
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September 24, 2007, 07:51:37 PM »
Geez, using Naruto as the authoritative resource to all things related to Eastern philosophy? I honestly did not know there were people like that. As if the fangirls who all want Sasuke for themselves and literally hate Sakura for liking him weren't bad enough....
I may love the series to pieces, but I certainly know it's not to be taken as "this is how it is", especially because it takes place in an anachronistic society (hello, no cars but a well set up electric system?) that's only based on Japan. You know, besides the fact that, well, it's a series, not a historical account.
It's the same as thinking the afterlife's going to be like it is in Bleach...
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