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[matoa]

Well with all of the mental indoctrination in our homes, our churches and our schools, it is no wonder that we have many mental injuries. Some folks learn to wipe clean the slate and shovel out the #$%& that was force fed to them when they were children (as in my case). Reality and what you were taught are completely different, and in EVERY case it is very damaging to the mind.

Societies solution is to drug you for realizing that the world is not what was promised, if you are depressed due to low wages or high taxes or too much work you must be broken, and therefore drugs(TM) are the solution. The reality is that life sucks, and those who realize it and deal with it are the truly sane. Once you come to grips that life is not all roses and unicorns, you can finally start understanding the world, and all of the wonderful beauty that was hidden.

And some folks don't fix themselves and they don't take drugs, where does that leave them? They will most likely live out their lives in fear, hate, and envy of others. That is where stalkers, sociopaths, and murderers come from. Folks that were "broken" by society, and then left to rot in the streets like wraiths. Always seeking the missing thing that will make their life better, only that thing does not exist, and never will.

The only solutions that I currently see for a broken mind are: (In order of preference, feel free to add your own)

1. Fix yourself. It requires REAL knowledge, not that crap they teach in churches and school, and a good helping of wisdom. It may take a lifetime to achieve, and society may catch you and "fix" you before then. (see below)
2. Hire a psych. Maybe he can fix you, maybe not. But if you can't fix yourself I would try this first.

Societies solutions:
1. Drugs, if you are mentally broken and are worthless to society, someone somewhere will recommend drugs.
2. Lock you up in a funny farm.

Your uncle Jeff is mentally broken, was it his fault? No, not really. Can he fix it? I am not sure if everyone encounters the right experiences and learns the right information to actually fix themselves.

Can a pastor help you? NO! They will tell you gibberish about god healing you if you only believe. Don't Believe it!
Can a doctor help you? NO! They will give you drugs, or tell you to sleep it off. They don't understand that the problem is mental.
Can a psych help you? Maybe. They might help, and they might prescribe drugs, if they try to drug you find another psych.
Can your parents help? Maybe. If they are open minded and wise, if they are closed minded religocrats, see "Can a pastor help you?" above.
Can believing that you are superman or a Kitsuné help? NO! You need to find out what makes you human first, only then can you step out into the "real world" and find out if you are something else.

Unlearning is the only way to go, and I hope that all find their way to sanity.

Just my $0.02. I am tired after working, so please disregard any Freudian slips.

 

[Seeker]

Lol, medication.

I saw an unfortunately poignant commercial for a depression medication the other day. A woman, talking in a soft, sad voice, complains that she needs to "wind herself up", the voice set against a tiny wind-up doll, drudging along as its spring peters out. Then they start talking about the drug and suddenly the little automaton is marching in time, placidly following what's expected of it with a blank look on its face.

That's how drugs are used in america. Our society has become so bogged down by expectations and rules and roles that we have to take drugs just to make ourselves numb enough to not kill ourselves from the pointless grind. And then those people fulfill another expectation; they breed and have little baby sociopaths and raise them in an environment where emotions are something bad, something that need to be controlled... And when the little ones start to fall behind the worthless expectations of society they get drugged up too. And if one of those little ones shows resistance to it, an individuality that supersedes the droll mask we have to wear, well, that's called an emotional disturbance, a mental disease.

[Kira]

 
All in all, we can only keep up with the caothic dance to the best of our abilities, wearing the persona we ourselves put on our faces, or the ones that were picked for us, waiting for a chance time that ay never come.
 
Reminds me of a game where you could take the easy path earning evil points, or the hard path earning good points and getting severly punsihed by the game.
 
Maybe we should just screw the dance and stand up for ourselves, hard as that might be.
 
Something crazy, like the 60s.

[Seeker]

Yeah, I'm hoping for something more like the 1760s than the 1960s though.

[matoa]

Yeah, I'm hoping for something more like the 1760s than the 1960s though.

I second that.

 

[Kira]

 
1760s?
What happened back then?

[matoa]

1776 - The founding of America, the first time that anyone from any country could go somewhere and be free. When it was founded there were no personal taxes, no immigration laws, and you could do just about anything as long as you did not harm someone else.

Those were the good old days, today however America is a dying zombie, and those days of personal freedom and property rights are long dead and buried. If the founding fathers were here today, they would probably start another revolution!

 

Someday there will be another country (or hopefully the entire world) founded on freedom and personal rights, but I will not hold my breath.

 

[Kyousuke]

http://www.livescience.com/health/shy-brain-process-information-differently-100405.html

[Kira]

 
Heh interesting indeed.
I might almost call myself that type, but there are a few things that are off.
 
Maybe this is just one trait that can get paired up with others for different results.
For my example, I'm hyperactive, so I tend to jump into action quickly.
But then again I sometimes choose to contemplate instead.
 
As I said, interesting indeed.

[matoa]

It fits me rather well. I have always been deep and contemplative. When I was a kid, I would rather talk with senior citizens than play with the other kids.

And I almost always think through my actions before doing anything. Saves quite a bit of trouble.

 

[Seeker]

I was just talking to a friend of mine the other day about how nobody my age seems to do that at all around here. Think ahead, that is. Like, they constantly get into situations where literally 5 seconds of forethought could have predicted the outcome with almost certainty and avoided it.

It led us to discuss the nature of humanity, how humans like to think of themselves as "more" than animals while 90% of their behavior is controlled by the same impulses, unrestricted, in 90% of the population. It's not related to race, or gender, or anything like that- an even spread of people just act according to their own desires, right that instant, a ridiculous amount of the time, without regard to the consequences for themselves or others. Kira described it as a "chaotic dance" but that phrase implies there's a meaning, and that it's random. This is just people being retarded in the same way, over and over.

[KaiOT]

Someday there will be another country (or hopefully the entire world) founded on freedom and personal rights, but I will not hold my breath.

 

As far as searching for a eutopia goes the closest I've ever spotted would be something like Damanhur. I'm sure that in actuality their society is riddled with pot-holes and problems but it's a decent attempt.

[Kira]

 
Damanhur?
What's that?
Tell us about it?

[KaiOT]

This is the best explanatory thing about it I can find... http://current.com/green/89355590_how-i-found-utopia.htm
I don't feel that it puts the society in the correct light because it's the view from somebody completely new to their whole concept of spirituality and beliefs so I feel that the narrator is a little patronizing. Also I think that a lot of the residents put on a little bit of a front when he comes to film them. I'm sure they'd probably act a whole lot differently off-camera.

But it's better than the website Damanhur put together... they really failed at trying to explain themselves 

See what you think.

[matoa]

Sounds like a new age commune, but a little less "cultish" than your standard commune.

I might like to visit one of their centers if I get the chance, and get a feel for their true intentions.

Even if it is a perfect society (Which is is not) then by allowing humans in, they have already failed. The only perfect society is one where there is no free will.

It will probably start and end like Orwell's Animal farm, everyone is equal except the administrators who are more equal.

 

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