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[Shiori]

Who here are highly emotionaly sensitive? Is itr true about what they say about Kitsune and how emotions can affect them?.. I have had an experiance where I think that part of the lore is true.. For I am highly emotionaly sensitive for some reason. (no not just because I am female) just want others veiw points.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

I'm not biologically female and I am. I believe lore holds very true on this part as fox spirits are very much dominated by feminine energies. From my understanding, most fox spirits are female to begin with. There are also the cases where a fox spirit will become self destructive when depressed (forgot where I read this part) and may even be careless by becoming "too involved" with their "target" to the point it blows up in their face and costs them their lives.

[Taoki]

In my case 85% of being kitsune has to do with emotions. From what I seen most of us are very friendly and loving with friends while often destructive with things we are against. I do believe we are highly emotional creatures generally.

There are also the cases where a fox spirit will become self destructive when depressed (forgot where I read this part) and may even be careless by becoming "too involved" with their "target" to the point it blows up in their face and costs them their lives.

This is something I can confirm from experience. I was surprised when I read that, it describes my current self pretty much. Maybe it is a kitsune specific thing.

On another note, I remember someone telling me a few years ago that "regret can kill a fox". They wrote somewhere that if a kitsune falls too much into regret, sadness or cannot accept something, they may vanish away and die. Hope that's not true though.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

Nope. It's not true. Regret can drive anyone to do stupid things (i.e. suicide) and it is not reserved to fox spirits alone.

[Shiori]

You are right regret can cause alot of things to happen no matter the being feeling it.  So I am not sure what the lore was meaning on that part.

[Kira]

Hahaha, emotions are fun.
 
Now actually, the best comes when you can control your emotions into what you want and take advantage of it. We really don't need to discuss this I think: A fox's emotions are like a raging torrent. Now, I have learned to manipulate that torrent and make use of it. One of the greatest uses lately has been for me to be able to harvest direct strenght from sadness. turning negative emotion directly into energy is very useful indeed.
 
Never forget your emotions. They are what you are as a fox.

[Kitai]

I for one can vouch for the whole Kitsune emotion thing. It's very true, I don't know about regret actually making us keel over and die, but I have had instances where I felt like it could happen.

I said something cruel to my mate once and it really hurt him. I felt physically ill until I could make it up to him. I still feel sick when I remember what I said.

Once, my father said somethings that were totally messed up during an alcohol induced rage. I remember my voice changing when I shouted at him to get away from me until he could be classified as 'sentient' again. It was a terrifying and uncontrollable rage. No blows exchanged, though when he walked away his arm swung up near my face and I was very tempted to bite it. I didn't though (THAT would have ended badly...)

On the happier side, I also remember how I felt when my mate gave me a crystal for my choker and told me he wants me to remain with him forever (bear in mind, he knew I was a Kitsune when he said that). I thought I could actually fly. It was amazing. I was that happy.

Emotions are pretty strong for me, I can say that much...

A fox's emotions are like a raging torrent. Now, I have learned to manipulate that torrent and make use of it. One of the greatest uses lately has been for me to be able to harvest direct strenght from sadness. turning negative emotion directly into energy is very useful indeed.
 

I wish I had that kind of control, Kira! I should work on attaining it, huh?

[Shiori]

Kitai I very much relate to how you feel with your emotions. I have been feeling the same way you have with a friend of mine recently. No rage but.. it had to do with love well on his end.. but thats to personal for here so.. But ya I know so much how you feel.  So I guess alot of lore is at least mostly true though not all of it.

[Zephiris]

I was wondering, where in the lore again (since everyone around here is so up on it being gospel), it says anything about emotional 'sensitivity'?

Continuing on, though, among the dominant sex of a particular species, it seems markedly more common to be considerably reserved on average. Particularly among leaders, I suppose. There isn't a significant disparity in gender numbers among kitsune, but for a number of species, soldiers and leaders tend to have a larger presence on a list of noteworthy people, compared to general labor, cooking, doctors, etc. Some people keep everyone at arm's length, some are very touchy-feely-bubbly. The average seems fairly reserved-but-respectful within a community, warmer and more cordial between friends.

Extreme sensitivity, far outside the bounds of normal-ish empathy, or anything else that might provide due reason, just like with humans, is more likely to be because of underlying mental issues. Most people, most kitsune, faced with adversity and regret, aren't going to want to kill themselves, though they might want to make amends, or change their behavior. Killing yourself would simply be trying to run, in a cowardly manner, from problems.

Your average kitsune is no more prone toward destructiveness, particularly things they merely 'don't like'. Colleagues who have a rivalry are more likely to rib each other with (mean) jokes, and get along relatively well, rather than get into dramatic arguments or avoid each other.

Meh, I guess the point is, people seem to rather randomly ascribe many qualities to kitsune, or 'kitsuneness'. Aside from basic cultural differences (everyone has them, and different sects of kitsune may have different cultural norms), kitsune are fairly middle-of-the-pack sort of average compared to most sentient species. Some are friendly, some will try to kill you for looking at them funny, and while there are societal norms, individuals are individuals. I doubt there's honestly any particular quality of any type that you could say that would describe a significant majority of any species.

[Kitsunami]

I am very emotional, however this does not make me a fox spirit.

A lot of the 'lore' crap could be applied to me and fits how i am well. None of it makes me a fox spirit.

Merely being emotional does not constitute being something else.

This lore you refer to sounds like the fluff-book report that guy made which spread around the internet.

Coincidentally, i emailed him about it and said that i would like to know his sources etc and was a kitsune etc etc, and he replied with he would get back to me soon, then dissapeared

[Ghost Rider]

I was wondering, where in the lore again (since everyone around here is so up on it being gospel), it says anything about emotional 'sensitivity'?

The Lady Tamamo-No-Mae once demanded that all of the concubines of the Emperor should be forced to dance nude, in the gardens, for her amusement.  The ladies, shamed, refused.  So Lady Tamamo-No-Mae enticed the Emperor to have the ladies stripped and thrown into a pit of vipers and hornets - so they would dance for her.  Such was her thrill of death and beauty.

If you don't know the story, look it up.

This story, if only one of the most well known, does far more than merely suggest that Kitsune are "emotional"; her story is one of continual sadistic sensory delight and pain.  But was Lady Tamamo-No-Mae real?  The hear-say records from which many plays about her were written assert that these things indeed did happen.  Ancient historians point to several real Empresses in their records to identify her.  But where does the grain of truth end and fiction begin?  Most sources of her story that survive are are from Plays - made for beauty, poetry and enjoyment.  So naturally, there is embellishment and intense stylization.  Some would say she is only fiction - this is not true.  But it could be true.  Each story must be disentangled and interpreted on its own - for all stories contain lies, and one must always read around the corners.

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Now, I think some here, such as you Zephiris, are taking a rather literal, extreme position on what constitutes as "lore".  To not know the place in Lore of emotion most extreme when it comes to Kitsune makes me think you are missing the blindingly obvious.  Lore does not need to say, "foxes are intensely emotional"; it becomes clear in the stories themselves.  As far as other sources go, traditional Japanese medicine recognizes fox possession - there are diagnostic remarks recorded by Buddhist Monks that I remember which state, more or less, "his behavior is so extreme, and his habits are so given to excess, that only a fox could be driving his wild desires".  Read the symptoms which accompany fox possession.  Most all of these symptoms stem from intensified emotional reaction of some kind.

I simply must agree with you, Kira - spot on - these things can either be harnessed like sails harness wind - or they can blow you off course.  Emotions can be intensely experienced by oneself or intensely felt from others - in my experience, extremity of both is the norm.  Being a being split in two forms can do that to you.


Over and Out 

[StormFox]

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Didn't mean to kill any kittens:


Well, emotions, everyone has them, almost nobody knows what to do with them. Can't live without them either.. 

I, myself, can be fairly emotional at times, though I can mostly hide them from the outside world. I don't show my emotions often, then again, several of other things like my astrological signs and stuff say that as well (I'm a scorpio, born in the year of the snake (look it up, fairly 'powerfull' combination when combined)... Also, I think I remember pride being one of the properties of the lightning element as well..

[KaiOT]

I'm not sure about how other people feel about reviving threads -or 'necroposting' but I'm all for it ^^

I've never really looked into my star sign and Chinese zodiac animal or what they might mean all too much but I'm a Scorpio too and I was born in the year of the cock (jokes aside). 

I think a lot of the time my life would run more smoothly without emotions -if I were to become a complete psychopath and live my life by goals, instinct and self gratification rather than petty emotions and empathy...

When I flinch after seeing something painful happening to another or something 'gross,'  it makes me 'weak' for reacting that way... and I start thinking about how it's because of the society I've been brought up in that makes me judge something to be disgusting or horrible.
I feel somewhat too empathetic at times...
 

[tsukos]

Hmm... I didn't post in this earlier, but I have to say something.

When I was very young, I was forced to take all my emotions and wrap them up in a little box in my mind to keep from harming myself or others. For an emotional person that was hard, and painful, and has probably affected my mental health more than I know.

I think a lot of the time my life would run more smoothly without emotions -if I were to become a complete psychopath and live my life by goals, instinct and self gratification rather than petty emotions and empathy...

When I flinch after seeing something painful happening to another or something 'gross,'  it makes me 'weak' for reacting that way... and I start thinking about how it's because of the society I've been brought up in that makes me judge something to be disgusting or horrible.
I feel somewhat too empathetic at times...
 

Trust me, lacking emotion is not all it's cracked up to be. I wish I were more empathetic myself, but it's hard knowing that I don't feel emotions the same way other people do and that it's easy for me to put emotional considerations aside.

[Seeker]

I spent alot of my childhood in an environment where displaying "negative" emotion without permission meant I was diseased. And I never believed in pretending to be happy, so I never really learned to express either normally. Not that anyone gave a damn how I felt to begin with.

Now it's just because I'm a fairly large male, people assume I'm a barbarian on the verge of a bloody rampage- doubly so if I display more than a trickle of "negative" emotion. God, I hate that.

What it means is I really don't have a frame of reference to compare my emotions with those of others.

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