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[Shiori]

This is just a topic to start to discuss tails.  I forgot if this was even done ya bad memory. But who feels tails are by age or action even if Nogitsune.  What would a Nogitsune have to go through to gain tails is it age will they have to go through Hell?  And I know Myobu know this to but what actions do you feel a Myobu must do before a tail is gained, umm grown or otherwize? or is it gae for that to? this is just for good discussion and learning. Hey I am still new after all and please please no tearing necks apart.

[Kuro]

Tails are a show of a nogitsune's age and power.  Tails are a show of a Myobu's age, power, and possibly tasks done that have earned great favor from the Gods or another kami.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

I think I'm going to go with Kuro on this. It is the theory that makes most sense.

[Seeker]

I don't have anything to point away from that. It seems the most moderate and logical prospect.

Although I think it would be possible for a nogitsune to gain favor with the gods and kami as well, just probably not so much Inari. While they may not be able to grant tails directly(I'd think that would be a trick of Inari's alone, trade secret or something like that), if it's a measure of power, a gift of power from a higher spirit could theoretically increase tail-count.

[Kuro]

True.  I was moreso going from the standpoint that most nogitsune are rather neutral in such matters.

[Seeker]

Ah. I see where you're coming from. I'm thinking in that case that it may be the kami taking an interest in the individual, even if the nogitsune isn't seeking or particularily desiring it.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

Seeker, now that you bring it up though, I'm interested to see where it is mentioned specifically that Inari grants tails. From my understanding and memory, I can't seem to recall anywhere in my research something stating that Inari indeed grants tails to fox spirits.

I honestly don't see her having such ability or authority.

[Seeker]

Well, I don't specifically believe that because I have no knowledge to support it. But other people here seem to believe that and it doesn't really contradict anything so I incorporated it into my model.

Hmm... although the story seems to be that Inari took foxes as a domain later on rather than choosing us initially, so it doesn't necessarily follow that she should have any particular power over them other than myobu's loyalty. Still, it seems to make the most sense for her to have it if it exists... certainly no reason anyone else would need to. Of course if it's just a general gift of power in any case, I don't see where there would be a real difference, except maybe granting physical tails as a symbol of rank without actually giving any extra ability with it, instead leaving that to be gained by the individual.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

I thought the markings on the fox's face was a symbol of rank for a myobu. At least that's what I interpreted from looking at the fox statues on miniature Inari shrines. I'm probably pulling this part out of my ass though.

And yeah, that's the reason I don't believe Inari has that power over fox spirits (the fact that fox spirits were around long before Inari ever even came up in the Shinto religion, and the fact they were both obviously independent until the fox couple decided to serve Inari).

[Kira]

 
Maybe tails simply hold no meaning to dark foxes, like they do to me?
Maybe dark foxes and light foxes are not all that much alike?

[Kirara Munashi'i]

Interesting theory, except for one minor flaw, Kira. There are no "light" and "dark" foxes.

Did you mean myobu and nogitsune?

[GoldKitsu]

Well yeah, though one has to assume Gods/Kami having some roll to tails for

and possibly tasks done that have earned great favor from the Gods or another kami.

to work.

As well as what determines 'alignment' of light/dark or anything else Kira?

[spectravixen]

i guess i'll throw in my buck 'o' five
Tails are gained by life changing events.  life changing for your spirit.  not like oh i had a surgery and stuff but more like I learned something that will help me to grow.  by grow i mean in a spiritual self manner.

i know that didn't all make sense but hopefully it is grammatically close to english

im me if you want more in depth talk / discussion of this

[Kirara Munashi'i]

Actually, that makes perfect sense. For once I completely agree with the fact that tails are gained more on a personal growth basis and not because of an external entity or deed.

[Kira]

Interesting theory, except for one minor flaw, Kira. There are no "light" and "dark" foxes.

Did you mean myobu and nogitsune?

Knew you'd figure it out. As you may have noticed I prefer not using japanese names for such things.
Also, "dark foxes" covers it quite nicely once you've understand the meaning of "dark". I cannot really explain it, but I understand it, and I feel it is right.

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