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[matoa]

Mental programming.

I have heard of various groups running virtual "mental" simulations. I also know of a particular group that tries to influence the outside world by fabricating elaborate "mental machines" That can preform various tasks such as collecting and compressing energy, and then "switching them on" and connecting them together trying to determine if anything is affected.

I do not know if they have been successful, but it is an interesting thing.

 

[PeachClover]

Tsunami, you are suggesting that by thinking/imaging something it comes into existence somewhere automatically.  Even after your essay of "could be"s, you have not presented a fragment of evidence to support that possibility.  I can agree with you that willpower creates, but the spiritual ability to create is limited by skill and spiritual-strength.  Example: a bus is heading straight for someone, no matter how much that person wills that bus out of the way, it will only ever move on three conditions 1. that person has the knowledge (skill) to preform the spiritual task of moving that bus, 2. that person has the spiritual-strength of moving the bus as in being able to output enough energy to manipulate something that big, and 3. that person's body must be able to handle that amount of energy going through it.

These three things, Mind, Spirit, Body, are the top three points of the Faery Star and the bottom four are the elements, which symbolizes the yoke of the three having power over matter, but even this belief immortalized in symbol (which I think of as fact), holds that the end result is yielded through effort not happenstance. 

I have stated many times that I believe myself to be a scientist of the superphysical, because it was once said that, "Magic is just science that hasn't been explained yet", but even in conventional science, you don't just get something by sheer will.  There is only one place I know of where one can will something to happen without any real effort and that would be in one's own mind.  I thought the point of this site was to try to understand such things, so I have to ask why you just threw your beliefs on this site without explanation, personal experience, and end that whole mess with the negating sentence, "Not entirely made up but also without anything to back it up."  Why do you hold these beliefs enough to present them when you have no reason to believe them? 

This essay is entitled The Ethics of Belief and has become the backbone of modern philosophical and scientific theory.  Please read it before making another post.

[Kira]

 
Let's try to put it like this:
There are the worlds located in a multidimensional space.
Floating in like bubbles in an endless ocean, only with more dimensions for each.
 
Seperating these worlds is a space of lingering.
A place that dreamers briefly visit, skimming the surfaces of their world-bubbles.
And a place for those who have been seperated from their bodies to linger until finindg a new world for them to take them in.
That new world might be a heavenly place, or a hellish.
Or it might be another world whey they get born, get old, and eventually die again.
Or some totally different place.
 
In that endless ocean, if it is truly infinite, there will be every world ever imagined by any being.
And of each and every of these worlds there would be infinite variants, both of time and possiblity.
So everything that ever can happen would happen somewhere in that infinite place.
 
And every second an infinite number of new worlds would get born.
Any world imaginable in every state and time imaginable.
Thus, whatever you imagine at any given time... there will be a world born that matches that imagination perfectly.
 
It may be impossible to ever find that world, given the nature of true infinity, but that doesn't change the fact that it is somewhere out there in the endless ocean of worlds seperated by the river of dreams.

[tsukos]

Okay.

Bam. I've just created a pocket dimension.

It's full of forests and rivers and stuff like that. Red flowers, yellow flowers, green grass, etc.

Is it in my head? does it actually exist somewhere? if I led you there would you actually be there or would it simply be us sharing mental projections?

I have to say, does it matter all that much?

I personally think it's a nice little tardus-esque thing sitting around somewhere, a little centimeter cube that expands into a nice big forest, maybe a square mile.

But if you think it's a construct of my mind, a delusion, or a world in the river of dreams, that's what you think and i'll leave you to it

[PeachClover]

We all have different views thats' true, i just didn't like clover saying i put not thought into it then posting her link and saying read it before you make another post when it feels like she hasn't done the same.

I read your post, then I thought about it for a long time, then I read it again, then I had someone read it to me to make sure I wasn't reading it wrong, and then had them read it again.  It's not in my nature to jump to conclusions.  You can say I didn't read what you wrote because I didn't bring up what you had written, but I didn't even bring up what you had written because nothing in your belief gave any evidence or personal reason for why you believed it.

For me to try to disprove your beliefs at this point would say that they are worth believing, but they are not.  I linked you to the Ethics of Belief so that you can understand how to create a theory that stands up to scrutiny.   

I do believe they are reachable and a direct effect of our own wills, so what.  I didn't make any grandiose claims and i won't try to prove it until clover tries to prove hers.

For the record, please address me as "hir", and the name is PeachClover; one word.  If you don't want to spell it out PC will work just fine.

Actually, your claims to create an entire world of any level is grandiose.  To say that people do it by accident is really hard to swallow.  I did offer an alternative explanation for how mental constructs that seem like real places can be created in the mind, AND I did explain in detail with sound reasoning and personal experiences how such could be accomplished, right here.

Furthermore, you asked for evidence about the Faery Star (aka Elvenstar, Otherkinstar, etc), well, it's at the top left as for the meaning, I will give you a personal story: I have a fragment of a past life memory where I was trying to preform superphysical tasks long ago when I had a body that could handle such.  I don't remember what it was, but the fae did it first.  I couldn't seem to succeed, and a mentor pointed out that will alone was not enough, and explained that it was spiritual knowledge and power that created the effect by explaining the seven points of the fae's symbol, the Faery Star, so that I would not get discouraged over what the fae could do that I could not yet.
If that doesn't satisfy, then here is a deductive reason, look at the pentagram, which stands for the four elements and the spirit. If the points on the septagram hold the same value, the regular pattern would hold that the point to the left and right of spirit are the unnamed points of the septagram and should pair as a top three as the bottom four pair, the common three part pattern with spirit is mind and body.

[PeachClover]

So from now on whatever response you make whatever suggestion you make i'm just going to ignore you.  and go on as i have been.

How very christian of you.

[Nintai no Nogitsune]

So here's my 5:30 a.m. post.

Little worlds inside your head. True. (though it can actually be more extensive in terms of what it is for some people).  

Worlds created. Also true. Can most people here do it. No. Only very few really. It's not just about the power either though that plays a hand.

There's several other points I wanted to discuss though they're are good at being forgotten right now. I'll get back to them later on. Tsunami listen a bit to clover, she knows actually knows a bit about what she's saying.

Getting some sleep. No scanning please. I find it very rude, . If you have questions send me a pm if you're curious or post here.

[Nintai no Nogitsune]

So here's my 5:30 a.m. post.

Little worlds inside your head. True. (though it can actually be more extensive in terms of what it is for some people).  

Worlds created. Also true. Can most people here do it. No. Only very few really. It's not just about the power either though that plays a hand.

There's several other points I wanted to discuss though they're are good at being forgotten right now. I'll get back to them later on. Tsunami listen a bit to clover, she knows actually knows a bit about what she's saying.

Getting some sleep. No scanning please. I find it very rude, . If you have questions send me a pm if you're curious or post here.

Again i will ignore clover. sorry, but you don't have enough evidence to warrent putting us at each others throats.  To me she has nothing worthwihle to say but that may be only to me.  Please do not bring it up again.

*shrug*

[PeachClover]

Tsunami continues to call me "she" and "clover" even after quoting the entire post where I told her not to do this.  She'll probably say she's doing it just to make me angry to cover her reputation, but I see it as proof that she isn't reading the posts before replying....
If you don't want to listen to others, ever, you might want to try writing in a diary instead of a forum.

[tsukos]

I also sort of dislike the terms shi and hir but not because they're made-up... it's because there is no effective difference between these words and their female-gender counterparts in speech; they're pronounced the same way.

I would propose an alternate gender-indeterminate pronoun be found for such persons as yourself, PeachClover, one that would make it clearer the distinction between yourself and females, and which you can rightly insist on being used rather than, er, bastardizing existing pronouns in an ineffective manner. ^^;

As a male, I probably don't have any right to propose one myself but I'm going to do so anyways: Shri and Shrur. You don't have to use it, and please feel free to flame me if I've been discourteous or insulting or something.

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