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[Purgatorius]

that tails possibly slowly grow, as one tail is grown fully each hundred years the next one starts to form at the base.

Either that or they simply appear, though that sounds a bit odd to me.

I doubt japanese folk lore ever got so specific, and if it did, I have an awful lot of sub divisions (that for some reason are very similar to each other) to sort through.

[spectravixen]

they can pop up rather quickly.  is more a kin to WTF that feels odd wait is that a new tail.  then its on to what happened to cause this one...

[Purgatorius]

Age and wisdom, most assume that kitsune grow wise with age, and therefor gain a tail.. something tells me it has more to do with how powerful a kitsune grows in that 100 years and the knowledge they gain from it among other things.

I don't picture a kitsune growing an extra tail from age alone, although it may be the case.

Both points said, I also think it is more of a generalization, not every kitsune would make the most of one set of 100 years to the next.. It'd be like giving a dopey, strong puppy more power while it already didn't know its own strength, pointless and dangerous.

Perhaps granted by an appointed higher being?

[Zephiris]

Age and wisdom, most assume that kitsune grow wise with age, and therefor gain a tail.. something tells me it has more to do with how powerful a kitsune grows in that 100 years and the knowledge they gain from it among other things.

I don't picture a kitsune growing an extra tail from age alone, although it may be the case.

Both points said, I also think it is more of a generalization, not every kitsune would make the most of one set of 100 years to the next.. It'd be like giving a dopey, strong puppy more power while it already didn't know its own strength, pointless and dangerous.

Perhaps granted by an appointed higher being?

I always wonder about it, since everyone seems to come up with a most generic answer.

100 years is a very short amount of time. 900 years to 'gain nine tails'...would mean that well over 99.999% of kitsune would have 9 tails when 10000 is most often considered rather young and inexperienced? Particularly for professions or positions that require a greater degree of specialization.

Considering how many kitsune there are, wouldn't someone saying "oh, you get a tail, you get a tail, you get a tail", get rather tedious and time-consuming? Particularly when you have many sects where agreement is rare? And who gets to decide that? Under what authority? Why would it be programmed into kitsune physiology for something like that to be dependant on one person or group...? What would happen if that person or group were to die?

Though, another curiousity of practical consequence. Tails are generally for balance. Wouldn't 3, 5, 9, lots of tails, make it impossible to balance? Or near-impossible to sit due to pain, for that matter? 

[Purgatorius]

It may well depend on how long a kitsune actually lives, or exists, given they are spirits, and how much more knowledge they gain, as they might gather more faster.

The estimate of tails may also be off, could be every 1000 years, humans couldn't say for sure as they don't usually past 100.

By the sounds of things it doesn't seem people went into semantics when it came to designing their new myth, either that or the excuse was "who are we to question and pretend to know the workings of higher beings"

Wondering is all well and good, but I personally am pretty resigned to the fact no one will ever know, unless of course there are some kind of monk specialists hiding out in japan who haven't heard of the internet.

Makes it kinda fun though, we all get to grow our tails however we like.

[Zephiris]

It may well depend on how long a kitsune actually lives, or exists, given they are spirits, and how much more knowledge they gain, as they might gather more faster.

The estimate of tails may also be off, could be every 1000 years, humans couldn't say for sure as they don't usually past 100.

By the sounds of things it doesn't seem people went into semantics when it came to designing their new myth, either that or the excuse was "who are we to question and pretend to know the workings of higher beings"

Wondering is all well and good, but I personally am pretty resigned to the fact no one will ever know, unless of course there are some kind of monk specialists hiding out in japan who haven't heard of the internet.

Makes it kinda fun though, we all get to grow our tails however we like.

I really wish more people would actually bother to be interested in trying to get some skill with astral things because just about everything of material interest becomes easy to examine or ask about.

I don't see how people being ambiguous would make it 'oh, well, it works however we prefer!'. That seems to be exceptionally common thought around here. Is that why things are so rarely challenged? So everyone can play however they want and ignore reality? I mean, come on. Whatever happened to reasoning or careful thought about things?

Even that awful thought aside, what could a human monk seriously tell you about something?

[Kitsunami]

I want astral skills

[Seeker]

I want astral skills

Don't want, work. That's my plan anyway.

[Taoki]

I want astral skills

Want them a lot as well sweetie. However they're extremely hard to practice or use in this world it seems... I tried working for them as well but projecting seems nearly impossible at least

[Zephiris]

I want astral skills

Want them a lot as well sweetie. However they're extremely hard to practice or use in this world it seems... I tried working for them as well but projecting seems nearly impossible at least

It requires relatively minimal effort and practice for very basic sense to be reliable. For a reasonable degree of clarity and accuracy, yeah, it takes serious effort. But a lot of people never even bother to take the first step, or give up after the most basics are there.

Nobody becomes 'Bruce Lee' in a day, but you'll never get there if you don't put significant effort forth every day.

Generic solid-foundation starter kit: http://www.omnimancy.com/MagicDocs/Public/

[Kitsunami]

Am working at.

Tried numerous methods of 'projecting' from various sources before now, and now i am listening to my father and trying his way.

[Purgatorius]

Quote from: Zephiris on Yesterday at 06:02:13 am

I really wish more people would actually bother to be interested in trying to get some skill with astral things because just about everything of material interest becomes easy to examine or ask about.

I don't see how people being ambiguous would make it 'oh, well, it works however we prefer!'. That seems to be exceptionally common thought around here. Is that why things are so rarely challenged? So everyone can play however they want and ignore reality? I mean, come on. Whatever happened to reasoning or careful thought about things?

Even that awful thought aside, what could a human monk seriously tell you about something?
............................

Ok, I really should not have to justify myself against a semi personal shot..

'oh, well, it works however we prefer!'. That seems to be exceptionally common thought around here. Is that why things are so rarely challenged? So everyone can play however they want and ignore reality?'

As far as ignoring reality goes, I suppose most of us here do have our spiritual side, but if you want reality, take a look around and notice that what you're typing on happens to be tangible, and that if you're going to take that approach you are breathing in a christian god..

It is actually hard to research the 'reality' of things when they aren't tangible, and while some of us do claim to have an ability to be more aware of the spirits or however you wish to phrase it, a lot of people absolutely bs, so sorting out the truth from anyone is impossible.

Not that I am not bothering, I am here in hopes to learn more, one of many first steps, but until I can get some remote hard evidence or some more accepted lore and learn how to have one of those funky outer body experiences, there is no way to do my research any more thoroughly, so I am happy to not care about how tails grow, why get upset over it?

"Even that awful thought aside, what could a human monk seriously tell you about something?"
The answer: probably about as much as anyone else that claims to project and know about kitsune lore. Good luck with your bothering.

[Zephiris]

Ok, I really should not have to justify myself against a semi personal shot..

'oh, well, it works however we prefer!'. That seems to be exceptionally common thought around here. Is that why things are so rarely challenged? So everyone can play however they want and ignore reality?'

As far as ignoring reality goes, I suppose most of us here do have our spiritual side, but if you want reality, take a look around and notice that what you're typing on happens to be tangible, and that if you're going to take that approach you are breathing in a christian god..

It is actually hard to research the 'reality' of things when they aren't tangible, and while some of us do claim to have an ability to be more aware of the spirits or however you wish to phrase it, a lot of people absolutely bs, so sorting out the truth from anyone is impossible.

Not that I am not bothering, I am here in hopes to learn more, one of many first steps, but until I can get some remote hard evidence or some more accepted lore and learn how to have one of those funky outer body experiences, there is no way to do my research any more thoroughly, so I am happy to not care about how tails grow, why get upset over it?

"Even that awful thought aside, what could a human monk seriously tell you about something?"
The answer: probably about as much as anyone else that claims to project and know about kitsune lore. Good luck with your bothering.

I know a keyboard is tangiable. How would that equate at all to 'breathing in a christian god'...? That's a little too bizarre for me.

Spiritual or not has nothing to do with it. Reality's reality, whether here or there. Actual memory (not dreams, not hopes) tend to make for a good starting point for research, but...being able to go over and examine someone with a microscope, or grab something by the tail...the direct approach tends to work rather well.

Of course a lot of people BS, just as people BS about being something in general, people BS about being superheroes, people BS about being well-liked by everyone (even if they sit at home and mope), BS about their job history.

"Out of body experiences", whatnot, tend to be the general human misconception of the way things are.  Most humans have trouble because their astral body is virtually akin to a cinder block around their neck. Useless, heavy, and tied to a very silly place to tie things. You don't need to 'project' if your body is alive and well and less blocky. If it's not alive...that tends to indicate more serious issues.

If you don't look for yourself, with your own eyes, knowledge, experience, interpretation, you'll always be taking someone else's word for everything. How is that a good thing? Sorting out the truth from the BS tends to be less than impossible if you're skeptical of things. You can be very firmly grounded in reality, and still work on astral things exactly the same, no matter how many other people get all new-agey bullshit about it. I, for one, appreciate the fact that clear scientific methodology works just as well on the astral.

[GoldKitsu]

I really agree on going out to find out for yourself.

[spectravixen]

  astral is very over rated if i could i would love to turn them off some times

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