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[GoldKitsu]

So since this board seems almost dead like.  I'm going to try to start it going again.

I know what a therian is, but how many people feel like it relates to them as a kitsune.  Do you think of Therian and otherkin as being related?

[Kuro]

no.

[Seeker]

yes.

[Calientra]

Yes, very much so.

[Seeker]

I don't know what a therian is

Let Me Google That For You.

Any person who keeps thinking of their spirit as a particular form will eventually change their spirit to match that form.  This change can cause the development of phantom limb syndrome and dreams and memories to portray one's self in the form they have chosen. 

A wise thing to keep in mind throughout any spiritual journey- you are what you believe.

[GoldKitsu]

You could probably have put that directly in your post on definition for therian.  Anyways vaguely a therian is one who feels a deep spiritual connection between themselves and an animal on earth as it is.

[Zephiris]

So since this board seems almost dead like.  I'm going to try to start it going again.

I know what a therian is, but how many people feel like it relates to them as a kitsune.  Do you think of Therian and otherkin as being related?

You could probably have put that directly in your post on definition for therian.  Anyways vaguely a therian is one who feels a deep spiritual connection between themselves and an animal on earth as it is.

Not even a fox therian would be related to kitsune in any meaningful way. Even the level of consciousness feels radically different. Virtually anything considered otherkin would have next to nothing (or completely nothing) to do with Earth. Therians are either humans that have a general 'affinity' towards a particular animal, or direct animal spirits from a particular terrestrial species that happen to be in a human body now, depending on definition (most online lean towards the former).

I don't know what a therian is, but it seems to be the appearance of one's spirit.  The appearance or shape a spirit takes has no baring on their current abilities or their potential it is merely a guise we give ourselves after several lives as an animal, the features we portray from an animal, or even an obsession with things during life for example winged spirits.  Spirits do not need wings to move, the desire to have wings comes from human symbolism that we desire to have as our image so that others may understand us better. 

Any person who keeps thinking of their spirit as a particular form will eventually change their spirit to match that form.  This change can cause the development of phantom limb syndrome and dreams and memories to portray one's self in the form they have chosen. 

Astral form is not casually mutable. Alterations can be made (akin to surgery), shifting can be done (effectively requires the right genetics though), but you don't somehow get wings by thinking about them, and most civilized things would consider it butchery to add or remove significant non-native parts or traits. A particularly trained human seems to be able to project as whatever bizarre thing they have in their head, but can't 'pass' as anything else. Most anything else doesn't need to project in the same manner, and aren't so presto-change-o.

A spirit doesn't need wings to move. They can, however, be used for a multitude of things. Wings, similar to a tail for balance, can be used to encourage more delicate maneuvering despite the space they take up (and general impossibility to sleep on back with). They can be used as a casting aid, and for defense. They can be used in physical expression as well.

Someone can get a lot of impressions, make up memories, change everything to fit their fursona, er, persona, but it doesn't change what they are. It changes neither visual inspection, nor detailed technical analysis. It doesn't even influence what they can do, or that most of what they say registers as a lie.

If you explain form and substance by 'human thoughts and desires', how would you even then begin to explain things that are astral-native? Earth is not the center of the universe. Far, far from it.

[Seeker]

This is precisely why I need to get into the astral, at least on a basic level. It would make things so much easier. And regardless of what I found of myself, I would also be able to possibly help others with it...

[Kitsunami]

Couldnt put it better than Zeph.

[Taoki]

Couldnt put it better than Zeph.

Agreed. She explains such things in a clear and detailed way which I can't hide it impresses me regardless

I agree that therian refers to being the spirit of an animal on this world, although to a point I remain to my belief that animals do not look and live like they do here astrally. Not suggesting every animal is indeed what I'd define as anthro, but since recent I'm believing that Earth animals are somehow mutated from what I would believe most of them's real forms to be like.

Usually when asked "what is the difference between therian and otherkin" I just say that therian refers to being an animal spirit while otherkin refers to being a mystical creature. I think there's much more then that in reality, but that's usually how I see it like for short

I seen Zephiris brought up an interesting discussion about wings. I believe myself to be a winged kitsune and have angel wings on my normal form. Initially I think they may serve as a symbol and / or for being able to fly, although I'm not sure if flying is something you need to do by using the correct physical means like on this world or if astrally you're able to do it by thought (like in dreams where I can't fly either but if I focus a bit I can slide towards a certain direction like there's no gravity or do hyper jumps which feel wonderful).

[Seeker]

I usually float in my dreams. It takes a bit of will and sometimes the height is limited... but it beats walking.

I wonder if there really is a connection between dreams and the astral, and what it could be? I've heard many theories that seem to imply so... but until I find out for myself I can't be certain, I suppose.

[Kira]

 
I find it amusing.
I did some research, and I've come to the conclusion that foxes are foxes. Füchse sind Füchse. Kitsunewa kitsunega imasu.
It does not matter what the language is.
Maybe it comes down to power to seperate the high and mighty sit-in-the-courts or fly-above-the-world foxes from the run-around-in-the-fields-and-catch-mice foxes, but it also means that the latter one can acquire enough power to ascend and become one of the high-and-mighty.
I know that arrogance is our domain, but I don't think we should show it to one another. The field foxes are foxes just like the court foxes. They're all one big family. WE are all one big family, and should stick together.

[Kitsunami]

Otherkin are myth, while Therian are not.

That is the prime difference.

A myobu/nogitsune is not a fox on the 'therian/otherkin' level.

[GoldKitsu]

Hmmm, but all of therian may be defined as myth as well from a certain viewpoint.

[PeachClover]

Astral form is not casually mutable. Alterations can be made (akin to surgery), shifting can be done (effectively requires the right genetics though), but you don't somehow get wings by thinking about them, and most civilized things would consider it butchery to add or remove significant non-native parts or traits. A particularly trained human seems to be able to project as whatever bizarre thing they have in their head, but can't 'pass' as anything else. Most anything else doesn't need to project in the same manner, and aren't so presto-change-o.

A spirit doesn't need wings to move. They can, however, be used for a multitude of things. Wings, similar to a tail for balance, can be used to encourage more delicate maneuvering despite the space they take up (and general impossibility to sleep on back with). They can be used as a casting aid, and for defense. They can be used in physical expression as well.

Someone can get a lot of impressions, make up memories, change everything to fit their fursona, er, persona, but it doesn't change what they are. It changes neither visual inspection, nor detailed technical analysis. It doesn't even influence what they can do, or that most of what they say registers as a lie.

If you explain form and substance by 'human thoughts and desires', how would you even then begin to explain things that are astral-native? Earth is not the center of the universe. Far, far from it.

Ziphiris, I am officially convinced you don't know what you are talking about.  I could take the time and explain to you how one's attitude over just a single lifetime can change how their spirit is perceived by another, but I would much rather get down to the things that are obvious: 
You are suggesting that wings affect "casting"... No, just flat out BS.  There is no such thing as casting: any superphysical thing that you do is done much like moving your body: requires no preparation, just energy.

You say that those with wings move more delicately when "flying"... When you are without body flight physics do NOT affect you.  Why?  Because you have no physical form for them to affect. 

You say that with wings you can't sleep on your back... I'm going to avoid the debate on whether spirits need sleep and go straight to the point of saying that to believe this is to believe that the physical world affects spirits.  If it did, all of us would have a huge problem with gravity in this flight scenario.  You make me want to say, "I'm sorry I can't open this door there's a ghost in the way." 

And now for the last thing you said which proved for me you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about: you believe that wings can help in "physical expression" 
There is no such vegetable as "PHYSICAL expression" when you have no PHYSICAL body.  Without a body we are for lack of a better word "physically blind".  Yes we "see" energy, yes we "see" other spirits, but communication is done by transferring emotion directly.  "physical expression" is a symbol we have created to convey our own emotions which is gathered from experience, therefore; you are suggesting we use a form of communication that requires not only a mouth to send, ears to receive, but also requires eyes to see a spirit move so that we may guess at what they are trying to convey which only gets funnier when you think about the countless expressions that can be misunderstood from just the humans of this planet alone.
Yes! you are right, Earth is not the center of the universe, nor is the anthropomorphic form, nor a single syntax of speech.  In fact, the only common point that could be found IS emotion and thought.

Reading your beliefs about the nature of the nonphysical is like reading a fantasy novel, you might have a reasoning worked out, but it's a very weak one that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.  Rather than slapping down something to drown out someone's statements/observations/beliefs, take some time to think about if your own are realistic.

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