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[Seeker]

The word "eternal" is severely abused with things like this.

I don't think anything is eternal. Not even gods. Not even existence itself. Especially not us. It kind of sucks in a unique way to know that someday, somehow, you're going to die, but it makes life mean something. Kij Johnson's book Fudoki had a character(might have been the kitsune actually, don't remember) that put it really well: "We're all dying. We just like to forget that when nothing's trying to kill us."

[Taoki]

As spirits I believe we can live forever. Sure, chance will and must come, but if one cannot live eternally then what purpose is there to live knowing that you will sooner or later find yourself floating in blackness and feeling or knowing nothing forever? (which I believe is the most horrible fear one could generally have, knowing they will once reach nothingness for ever)

In that point you will not know you ever lived, and everything you fought for, wished for, loved, is lost... because you'd disappear. If you become nothing everything you lived becomes nothing as well, and then all the wonderful things and absolutely anything you've ever been through would be something you just visited once in any form of existence. You actually wouldn't know you ever lived anything, as to know something you must be alive in some way, so everything which ever happened would have simply never existed, and nothing ever existed. So I beg that the life of a spirit is not limited

[Zephiris]

As spirits I believe we can live forever. Sure, chance will and must come, but if one cannot live eternally then what purpose is there to live knowing that you will sooner or later find yourself floating in blackness and feeling or knowing nothing forever? (which I believe is the most horrible fear one could generally have, knowing they will once reach nothingness for ever)

In that point you will not know you ever lived, and everything you fought for, wished for, loved, is lost... because you'd disappear. If you become nothing everything you lived becomes nothing as well, and then all the wonderful things and absolutely anything you've ever been through would be something you just visited once in any form of existence. You actually wouldn't know you ever lived anything, as to know something you must be alive in some way, so everything which ever happened would have simply never existed, and nothing ever existed. So I beg that the life of a spirit is not limited

I believe the appropriate answer to this would be Queen's "Who Wants To Live Forever?". Everything and everyone dies at some point, whether killed or (arguably) more peaceful causes. Being responsible implies passing on accurate knowledge and sharing experience, particularly as one gets older, so that younger generations are not at a loss of what to do.

It's better to make a real impact than to wish to live forever. If you're living life to the fullest, or at least not wasting it, you don't need forever and a day to make a sizeable difference that will hopefully long outlast you. If you really fought for something, gave it your all, it shouldn't be somehow magically lost just because you happened to die. "Tomorrow" is usually taken for granted.

What purpose is there if you can't live forever? It's a selfish question to ask. How many humans laze around with their short lives, spending many cumulative years staring uselessly at nothing? Learning nothing? Experiencing nothing worth experiencing? And just as more and more crap happens every day, humans die, by the football-stadium load. To date, I've never met an individual human 'reincarnated', or anything else. As far as I'm aware, they live short, and die. A kitsune can live a particularly long time, and even if its life might be considered "boring" by human standards, they may well be performing an invaluable service for their community, and training others to do the same. That's far from a wasted life either.

It's something someone should think long and hard about before lamenting that nothing truly lasts forever and that nothing is infinite.

[Taoki]

I only meant death as a spirit. In this world sure, we all die, but will we live forever on different worlds after? And the reason I don't know if it's worth it is that if we die spiritually, we will never know we lived, were happy, sad or anything that happened, as we'd become nothing. Everything we did, rather that we wasted our lives or lived them to the fullest would be lost, just to float in blackness and never ever live or know anything else.

Anyway I made a separate topic and even a pool about this over here. There's probably more to discuss about this over there.

[Kira]

But the thing is, our parents die.  They stop progressing.  As cold as that is to say, it's the truth, and that's why any of us can surpass our fathers and mothers.  The Gods never stop progressing.

That's because humans make their gods so that they're always ahead of mankind, thus humanity has someone to look up to.

[GoldKitsu]

I believe the appropriate answer to this would be Queen's "Who Wants To Live Forever?". ...

Thus a question I asked elsewhere.  Do you have anything worth existing forever for.

[Raz]

Who said kitsunes can't have 10, 20  or even 100 tails? We have no idea of how many dimesions and worlds there are out there, and i'm pretty sure there ARE foxes somewhere with too many tails.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

Who said kitsunes can't have 10, 20  or even 100 tails? We have no idea of how many dimesions and worlds there are out there, and i'm pretty sure there ARE foxes somewhere with too many tails.

Mythology and historic records says so. Anything more than 9 is not only absurd but just screaming fluffy roleplayer.

[Taoki]

Mythology and historic records says so. Anything more than 9 is not only absurd but just screaming fluffy roleplayer.

I personally don't believe this. If we are to follow mythology more then 9 tails is impossible, but in reality what is it that would limit kitsune to a maximum of precisely 9? Was it proved that no ninetail can earn more no matter how hard they try? Most people agree tails are earned with learning and / or becoming powerful, so maybe if a 9 tail can make the effort to learn even more then they currently have and "advance" even further, they might be able to become a 10 tail and so on.

[Raz]

Mythology and historic records says so. Anything more than 9 is not only absurd but just screaming fluffy roleplayer.

Do you really believe worlds in other dimensions/realms have the same history as us? Who knows how many different creatures there are out there.

[Kuro]

Mythology and historic records says so. Anything more than 9 is not only absurd but just screaming fluffy roleplayer.

Do you really believe worlds in other dimensions/realms have the same history as us? Who knows how many different creatures there are out there.

Okay, Goddamnit, I'm putting my foot down.  You are more than welcome to post here as a dragonkin and hell, even to some extent read and speculate posts directed SPECIFICALLY towards kitsune, but you are NOT a kitsune, nor do you have ANY knowledge of how we work from your posts.  I suggest you quietly observe and learn before posting any more arguments, please, or I will have to politely request that you leave.

[spectravixen]

who should leave?

[Raz]

Okay, Goddamnit, I'm putting my foot down.  You are more than welcome to post here as a dragonkin and hell, even to some extent read and speculate posts directed SPECIFICALLY towards kitsune, but you are NOT a kitsune, nor do you have ANY knowledge of how we work from your posts.  I suggest you quietly observe and learn before posting any more arguments, please, or I will have to politely request that you leave.

First of all, i am not arguing. I'm just stating my opinions. Isn't that what a forum is for? I'm just saying there may as well be foxes out there with more than 10 tails. Foxes on other realms/dimensions. No need to get upset about it.

[Kirara Munashi'i]

I personally don't believe this. If we are to follow mythology more then 9 tails is impossible, but in reality what is it that would limit kitsune to a maximum of precisely 9? Was it proved that no ninetail can earn more no matter how hard they try? Most people agree tails are earned with learning and / or becoming powerful, so maybe if a 9 tail can make the effort to learn even more then they currently have and "advance" even further, they might be able to become a 10 tail and so on.

First, tails are a highly debatable topic with insufficient data on all sides to ever make any conclusions.

Second, there are no records of a fox spirit with more than nine, and if there are then they are most definitely not in this nor any other world that we know of.

Third, if you believe fox spirits can have more than nine tails, that is fine, but if you wish to argue the point, then prove it. Show me sources that say or show fox spirits with more than 10 tails. Really.

Fourth, usually what you believe... Actually, never mind. I'm not even going to bother with this one. And I think everyone knows what I was going to say anyway.

Do you really believe worlds in other dimensions/realms have the same history as us? Who knows how many different creatures there are out there.

Of course they don't, but I don't care about other planes. I am speaking of this plane and I am not concerned with any other creatures either. And as for the multi-tail thing, see my response to Taoki above.

But for historical records and mythology, I prefer to go with actual records than something someone just pulled out of their ass and cannot be verified (see answer below).

First of all, i am not arguing. I'm just stating my opinions. Isn't that what a forum is for? I'm just saying there may as well be foxes out there with more than 10 tails. Foxes on other realms/dimensions. No need to get upset about it.

On this board, you are expected to verify and defend claims during a debate, otherwise don't make them. This isn't the place to just post your opinion and run off like all is happy and good in the world. This is a forum, it is used for discussion and a part of that includes debate and research. This is not a support group (not saying that's how you see this place). If this does not sound appealing to you, then you might have come to the wrong forum.

[Kira]

 
But he does have a point there. Mythological reports are mostly nothing more than really old stories that became myth. Two thousand years from now I say it is highly possible that, for example, the monsters-section of the rulebook of Dungeons&Dragons will be a "mythological monster fible" or something like that. What is now mythology might just have been the story a blind bard sang at lords' mansions to earn his living a thousand years ago. Any invented story is as good as that, and truly logical reasoning is even better.
 
But you also did mention historic records, yes? Now those I would truly be interested in, especially if they are of relevance to this topic. Mind posting them here?
 

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