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« on: September 17, 2007, 04:04:59 AM »

Some lore claims kitsune have what is called kitsune-bi, or fox-fire - a sort of flame or energy that radiates from the tails and/or mouths of kitsune.   Can anyone describe more about this?
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 09:33:05 PM »

That's going to be a tough one to answer. It isn't known if it is the fire we know or if it is a different kind. It could simply be one of our most popular and well made illusions, now seemingly lost. Even if you can summon fire, it's difficult to tell if it was one of your energies or really your kitsune ability.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2007, 04:29:15 PM »

Not only to radiate it... but I thought I read it was possible to make small balls of flame... like a wisp or something?

I think the reading says either to light the way, to lead people astray, or even just as a toy.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2007, 08:14:16 PM »

Here is what I know from my experiences working with kitsune-bi.  As I have told others in private, it is rather difficult to explain exactly "how" one makes it, but here are the basic facts as far as I know:

1) Many claim that foxfire is only made from rubbing the tails together, or that it is breathed out from the mouth.  Some also mistakenly believe, because of this "tail rubbing" story, that if you only have one tail, you cannot make it.  This is not true, foxfire is entirely independent of how many tails you have, although some kitsune do naturally create it from their tails or mouth.  I personally create it from my feet, not by rubbing them together, but simply as I walk or run.  The basic way that one creates foxfire is based on how one uses their own energy stores, combined with their ability to manipulate the latent environmental energy around them.  A skilled maker of kitsune-bi will not lose any energy doing this, because they constantly replenish it from the environment as they make it.  

I think the reason why some mistakenly claim that you must have two or more tails to make foxfire is because that it does require hard work to learn how to make it, it is difficult to do, and usually by the time kits figure out the process and can make their own, they already have two tails.  But if there is a particularly skilled one-tail who knows how to use energy quite well, they too can do so.

2) It is not a physical fire, and does not necessarily have the properties of elemental fire, although it can.  There is fox "fire" that is waterlike in properties, some that is earthlike, some that is airlike, and some that simply is so different than what we have on earth that it defies explanation.  There are also many different shapes and sizes that this foxfire can come in.

3) Continuing from point 2, no two kitsune create the exact same foxfire.  It is different depending on which individual creates it.  It is my theory (and so far, I have to see this disproved, although I would be happy to know for certain if there is an excepting case to this) that foxfire can, in a way, be used to identify the one who is creating it, as it acts as a sort of energy "signature" of sorts.  The reason why it works this way is because foxfire, while it does utilize the environmental energy around you, first passes through your own body and takes on some of the characteristics of your internal energy before it is passed out again.  Again, as I mentioned above, this point may or may not be entirely true, but from what I have seen so far, it is.  

4) The most important point in my opinion, is that when you create this foxfire, you are basically spreading around "x kitsune was here! lolz" wherever you go.  It is a very vivid indicator of who you are, and if someone recognizes the particular foxfire that you make, they can track you by following the trail you essentially made for them.  Of course, this is only if they are good at picking up energy themselves, but you should still be cautious about using and creating it willy-nilly.  At least have a good shield and be sure that you haven't made any powerful enemies before placing a giant neon sign over your head, which is kinda what this does, among other things.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 03:01:13 AM »

This helps a whole lot acualy. Thanks so much for your statement.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2007, 02:55:05 PM »

Yes Hanai, thank you. I appreciate the time you spent sharing this. Now, would I be right in assuming that foxfire is something that in many cases could effect the individuals around it even if they didn't know that something was causing whatever they felt? Like could it be related to why most around me feel nervous, or in cases they get up and move away from me, even if it means they have to stand up? And I take it that "fox fire" is not something that can have a direct and instantanious effect on someone. You can't make someone burst into flames like some comic book character. Would that be right?
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2007, 04:50:07 PM »

Yes, this is correct, Rahial.  Those who are more sensitive when it comes to energy will definately be able to tell that something is "there" or "off", even if they don't know exactly what it is.

And there are cases of foxfire interacting with the real world environment as well, although this is extraordinarily rare and energy-intensive, and yes, I doubt that one could make another person burst into flame, as it were  :)  For this reason, when one speaks of fox-fire, it is mainly referring to a very unique type of energy work rather than any real elemental "fire" per se.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2007, 05:08:00 PM »

Yes, thank you so much for posting about it, I haven't looked into this much till now but it sounds really interesting and worth trying.

Mmm just one question on point 4; how can they track you down by a fire you breathe or make in the air locally? I mean, after you breathe or make that flame, unless you touch something with it, it just vanishes like the flames that disappear when the fire is put out, no? So unless you set something on fire with it and the signature remains in the ashes or on the object, how can the energy made by it last after you leave?

Anyway, what I would deeply like to know is... how do you make it? Is there any kind of tutorial anyone would know to post here on how to create this energy and feel it probably use it too?
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2007, 05:20:02 PM »

hmm i think every Kitsune may have his/her own way but this i am not sure since i will be trying it soon myself *gulps*
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2007, 05:56:16 PM »

A kitsune friend of mine who's not registered here asked me to post this for her:

Responses to Kitsune-bi:
   
 1) Addition: kitsune-bi energy levels can be controlled and it can replenish energy reserves,
 in face the energy and power can be much higher than what can normally be made/generated in other ways.
   
 2) My kitsune-bi is golden.
   
 3) I'm not certain it always uses external energy.
   
 4) The reason when it is used to find a kitsune when their using it, is that it generates a
  lot of light and energy output from a single point.  The stronger it's used the more energy
  the brighter.  It can be easily be seen from extremely far away if someone strong is using
  it.
   
 5) I've found my body has adapted to it so it's not as noticeable as when I first did it,
  but when using it, it leaves a definite sensation.
   
 6) It is possible to harm yourself using it, if a kitsune increases energy draw gradually it
 would become extremely uncomfortable however just jumping into lets see how much I can
 do all at once without making any limits can hurt.
   
 7) Learning it is hard to describe and teach because it's like trying to teach someone to
  walk.  Imagine telling someone how to move a leg, how to lift it, how to move it forward,
  how to sequence the movements, how to keep balance when on one leg.
   
 8) I'll try however to describe a bit of what I feel.  It's like a massive energy output,
  I really don't know how to describe it but I know what is made is definitely my energy so
  you want to "generate" energy not draw it from what you have built up.
   
 9) I don't want to be known on this board really, though Hanai you have really perked my
  interest so can Taoki tell me who you are and how to contact you.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2007, 12:13:53 AM »

I think all of us are really interested in anything you would have to offer for this, I'm not a fan of "contact me" requirements.

This is something that if someone is really interested in exploring they should be able to access the right information rather than doing it wrong and doing themselves a dis-service or harm in my opinion.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2007, 01:08:34 AM »

That info was a good explanation also.
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2007, 09:25:10 AM »

I am reluctant to make a public post here, concerning all of the down and dirty details, that absolutely anyone can read for a couple reasons:

- Yes, you can do it wrong, and if you are not experienced with working with energy, you can drain yourself by severely large amounts and risk hurting yourself

-It is a massive energy output, indeed, and if someone who has made enemies or attracted the attention of more malicious beings out there tries this out, they will quickly alert other, energy-attuned beings to their presence.

-It can be used for so many things, mostly neutral or good, but sometimes evil, and I don't know if I would feel comfortable knowing that I taught kitsune essentially how to do the latter.  

-Learning to make kitsune-bi is something that comes ONLY after mastering other types of energy work.  If you are having trouble or get weird or inconsistent results making energy/psi balls, this is not for you.  And as I said above, I don't want kits getting hurt.



And Taoki, thanks for passing that info on.  I agree with pretty much everything there, although in my experience, kitsune-bi is ALWAYS made with at least partial help from an external energy source, especially if you are using it to replenish your own energy stores.  And feel free to pass them along my info if you like Taoki.

As for your question, how do they "see" the flame you make, first of all, it is not always made in the air.  And I was careful to note in my original post that kitsune-bi does not always have the properties of the elemental fire here on earth, and this is one of the reasons why  :)  Furthermore, kitsune-bi is not just created in a single point with a certain intensity (although this is true), it also  leaves large amounts of residual energy as well that are basically  "trails" towards your person, depending on how you make it.  Of course, if you are only using it in highly concentrated points and not carrying it around with you, it will not do this.  These trails are also temporary.  It's kinda like waving around a stick that has a very long ribbon tied to it (crude example).  Not only does the ribbon directly follow the direction you move the stick, it leaves  "trail" in the air of where you have carried it in the past.

My original post and these ones are mainly intended to serve as a rebuttal towards common myths and misconceptions about fox-fire rather than as a do-it-yourself guide, so I hope it has been a service to you all.  But like I said, I am not sure if I feel totally 100% comfortable with explaining the nitty-gritty details to the general public where all can read juuuust yet.  For those of you who feel the desire to start training in this type of energy work, Huh??? (do your best!) But also take great caution, and take things VERY SLOW and make sure to do as much research as you can first.
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