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[Seeker]

Remember, half the bible is taken word for word from Judaism, lol
and many of their beliefs are uncannily similar to Zoroastrianism.

...And nearly every Christian holiday is one stolen from assimilated pagan sects. "Easter" still bears the name of an old fertility goddess, Estre :3


But regardless, if you're planning to get this book, snatch it up while it's around, I hear it's going out of print. Who knows, maybe in a few decades it'll be worth something.

[Shiori]

ya I wish i could get it but can hardly afford anything right now with the way work is going.. Anyway Alot of the Kitsune refrences are and did go out of print unfortunatly.. Why are our kin left in the dark?

[Taoki]

Anyway Alot of the Kitsune refrences are and did go out of print unfortunatly.. Why are our kin left in the dark?

Probably because very few people care about us or know about us any more. We've never really been something interesting to humans at all these days, though I hope they wont get a bad idea about us from some anime or bad lore either like I heard some cases have been.

[Moon]

Well, if that one does go out of print, there's still the Chinese lore to look at, which is where the Japanese ones came from after all. Many of the stories told in Japan about kitsune (ninetailed fox with book in mouth for example) are the same as the ones in China.

[Kuro]

The Chinese stories of us are mostly dark, depicting us as cruel tricksters who prey on humans' selfish and more dark desires.  India depicts us the worst, mostly because Tamamo-No-Mae got her start over there killing a huge family as she headed east.

[Moon]

The Chinese stories of us are mostly dark, depicting us as cruel tricksters who prey on humans' selfish and more dark desires.  India depicts us the worst, mostly because Tamamo-No-Mae got her start over there killing a huge family as she headed east.

Not really. Only some are like that, about the same amount and degree as in Japan. It's mostly concentrated in Northern China, which is where the true Japanese (not the Ainu or other ethnicities) came from when crossing to the islands. So naturally the stories are similar.

Quite a lot of hu (fox in Chinese, as well as barbarian but that's a different matter) are respected and labeled as hu xian (transcended fox). The only difference is that, while Shinto allows the foxes to be respected openly, the official religion of the Chinese empire did not. So the worship and prayer to the hu had to be somewhat hush-hush in appearance. They were officially (official because in private many of the scholars and government agents also respected them) considered to only be the spirits of the uneducated peasants, so the scholars of the time did not regard them very favorably. Thus the creation of stories where the hu and beliefs surrounding them are mocked or attacked. Thankfully though there's as many "good" stories as there are "bad", so it's not all dark and evil.

But China is the limit of my foxlore knowlegde. Korea is supposed to be mostly dark though, but then again there's not as much on them in English as there is on the Chinese and Japanese foxes. So I cannot check up on those as easily. India, yea I can agree on that with Tamamo and her killing spree (apparently it's not just the emperor and/or his family, some versions of the story has her killing off thousands of people in the empire through the emperor's power).

Man I could just go on and on with this stuff, I'm in heaven with literary goodness.

Hey, if anyone wants, I could post some of the china stories up in a different thread, so you guys can enjoy them too. There's quite a few funny ones, especially the biting off the man's loins one (feminists will LOVE that story).

[Taoki]

The Chinese stories of us are mostly dark, depicting us as cruel tricksters who prey on humans' selfish and more dark desires.  India depicts us the worst, mostly because Tamamo-No-Mae got her start over there killing a huge family as she headed east.

And that is why I fear that if we'd ever get our true forms back in this world in front of humans, at least 5% of us will get grabbed by a bunch of religious guys and burned at stake or crucified for "being evil demons", as much as I want us being our true selves more then anything >.> Could be wrong though.

[Shiori]

Who knows we don't know what will happen since there is alot that also accept us like the Otherkin communities ect. Yes there will be fear but here in the US even if a human saw the real us we are citizens so there are still "rights"

[Moon]

The few religious psychos that have the urge to flame and pitchfork us would do so anyway, regardless of any past assumed species. Even the puritans went against their own fellow congregation for bs reasons. If people are THAT crazy, any excuse will fly.

Besides, most people outside of East Asia are not aware of the existance of fox spirits, especially in the traditional sense. What little people would be aware of is just the "desu kawaii foxies" from anime, nothing that could be taken seriously.

At the most, we'd be marvels of science, since physical shapeshifting is breaking the laws of physics and all. But burned at the stake? Naw, at least not in the US like Shiori said.

[Shiori]

I mean there will be racisim reguardless of what species you are.  Just like a series I wish i could watch but we don't have HBO. It's called tru Blood where a sythnetic blood is made in japan and Vampires (undead kind) decide to finaly come out in the open to the world. But since this now happens humans alot are very fearfull want them gone ect. There is an organisation called fellowship of the Sun who are basicly like the Church who seek to kill all vampires. Violance inceases hate crimes ect. It could end up like that but I do not know. Like I said racisim will exist regaurdless of species.

[Kira]

Hey, if anyone wants, I could post some of the china stories up in a different thread, so you guys can enjoy them too. There's quite a few funny ones, especially the biting off the man's loins one (feminists will LOVE that story).

That sounds good. I'd really apreciate a taste of chinese folklore here, so go on ahead =n.n=
 

[Moon]

I mean there will be racisim reguardless of what species you are. Just like a series I wish i could watch but we don't have HBO. It's called tru Blood where a sythnetic blood is made in japan and Vampires (undead kind) decide to finaly come out in the open to the world. But since this now happens humans alot are very fearfull want them gone ect. There is an organisation called fellowship of the Sun who are basicly like the Church who seek to kill all vampires. Violance inceases hate crimes ect. It could end up like that but I do not know. Like I said racisim will exist regaurdless of species.

At least in that context racism is used correctly (language-wise) for once.

I'll be honest though, that sounds pretty lame even for a tv show. I'll bet it didn't get a lot of high ratings.

That sounds good. I'd really apreciate a taste of chinese folklore here, so go on ahead =n.n=

Alrighty then.

[Shiori]

Ya yesterday i did research Chinese and even Korean lore about us. But Korean man is it bad. Foxes in Korea were much like the classical werewolves. Trancforming, eating human flesh, down to.. eating human hearts or even Liver. In Korea foxes or Komiho were about as evil as you could get. I don't know why Koreans viewed Kitsune as such.  Or even the fox in general there is even a horror Korean movie called  Fox with Nine tails.  The Chinese lore aint so bad. Some anyway.

[Moon]

Wait, where did you find the korean lore?

[GoldKitsu]

http://www.coyotes.org/kitsune/myths_korean.html

is a couple.  I have some stories from China and Japan in print books i own.  They aren't about kitsune just about general myths and legends.

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