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[Valere]

Somewhere reading about kitsune lore (can't remember where of course) I came across it being mentioned that kitsune sometimes dug dens into graves (or at a graveyard) out of fellow feeling for the dead and that we bear a close relationship to the dead; a brotherly one in a sense...

Also came across (think this was talking about gumihos though) that some foxes would dig up graves and collect human skulls to transform into human shapes. That was why sometimes foxes would live in graveyards to be close to raw materials...

Can anyone shed some light on if they think or can say what sort of relationship, if any, we share we with the dead? Anything they wish to point out?

I'm still a very curious fox! (As the small posting craze I am on would indicate)

[StormFox]

For one, I know that foxes wander around on graveyards at night, and even digging would be normal. When you think about it, it's actually pretty normal, you have a place where no humans come during the night, plenty of room, and, maybe a bit more odd, people bury flesh in those places, there might still be something to scavenge.

Graveyards are also a natural place of horror and ghost stories. So there may be some exaggeration in the specific digging up skulls. Also, kitsune are  considered spirits by many, and thus would have their natural lives as common foxes, and the bodies that were theirs, behind them. Maybe we do want to do something with the dead, after all, we are a species of extremes.

[Kyuuji]

I've read about the skull thing
Foxes can shift into human form only when the own a human skull
I think i read about it here
It add some creepyness in stories

Hmmm i remember when my grand mother died i saw her i don't know exactly when but it was after her funerals she appeared in front of me in the dark. That happened when i was still an inocent child wearing my older sister's dungarees

[Hakuzo NightFox]

I've only read a few stories of kitsune needing a Human skull to transform into a human. Another person I talked to said those kind of stories mostly only show up in Korean lore. There is an elaborate ritual that had to take place just to grant the fox the ability to transform into a human for a 'short' time, but they were stuck as a human until the spell wore off.


As for Foxes living in graveyards and/or watching over the dead. That's hard to say, I've hard some stories that the 'veil' is the weakest in the places and they need a 'Grave' to travel somewhere else like a teleportation spell. Other think they are just links to a Pocket realm that they hide away from most too afraid to venture onto consecrated ground.

[Kira]

 
Well, it's only natural for foxes enjoying cemetries.
It's nixe and quiet, even during the day when there are humans about, and even within cities these are points of refuge.
Besides, most cemetries don't allow dogs, so that's a nother plus for a hideout, and during the night only few humans will enter such a place, so the foxes can hunt in peace there.

[Kijt]

I see my mom all the time, and she's been dead since April of 2005... It's only in my dreams, of course, but in them she talks to me and tells me things, and sometimes we sit around and just talk; one time she brought someone else with her, and he sat and told stories... And if you don't want to believe any of that...

Yes, I think kitsune have a strong connection with the dead. I read once that before a normal fox can gain the ability to shapeshift, thus becoming a kitsune in the traditional sense, they have to live at least 50 years, ten times more than the normal life expectancy of a fox in the wild; essentially they'd already be a spirit.

[Hakuzo NightFox]

Interesting... I have dreams where my grandma visits me a lot as well. She died about 3 years ago...

I think we have a connection with the dead because we can 'see' spirits in a different way than most can.

[Arishi]

I think we have a connection with the dead because we can 'see' spirits in a different way than most can.

Yes actually, most enlightened individuals can. My ex is highly adept at seeing the dead. And I can see spirits that were never human.

[Kijt]

Well my boyfriend can see spirits, but we both "see" them in different ways; I can kind of hear them, there's this odd sort of noise I can pick up, while he sees shadows.

Though last night we both got surprised... We were walking through the flea market at night when we weren't supposed to be there, and we started running, and when we were running there was this guy at the edge of the flea market on our right. I got so surprised my tongue felt all weird and prickly. Well, before we were through the flea market we had to stop to rest, and not a moment after we stopped running the same guy came walking up on our left from the other side... It was weird, because he sounded like a spirit to me, and my boyfriend said later the guy felt wrong... His voice was kind of odd, and he said something about "sensing out energies" and that he wanted to make sure we were "good people"... Not the reaction of anyone in authority who sees two people go running by where they don't belong.

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