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    « on: August 02, 2011, 08:56:56 PM »

    Does anyone know of any information about western foxes? In China they have hujing and a few variations... in Korea kumiho, and of course kitsune in Japan. Does anyone know and can refer to some information on fox demons in the western world? (Be it book or links or just whatever they know typed out etc)

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    « Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 10:46:53 PM »

    Foxes are not demons >>. Demon is an improper translation of Kitsune, as the real meaning is Fox Spirit

    There's are many fox stories around the world. I have a book of Russian fairy tales I posted up on DA and FA (links in my signature.) I post up stuff there every week. Also there are Native American fox stories as well.

    An example of a Native American one can be found here: http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/Achomawi_Myth-Achomawi.html
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    « Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 11:21:52 PM »

    Mhmm. Demons or spirits... Interesting. This sort of discussion seems appropriate for one of the threads I recently made. (http://forums.kitsuhana.org/index.php/topic,1564.0.html)

    The differences between spirits and demons. I wonder what others think if kitsune are more of fox spirits than demons and the differences that would imply.

    I'm afraid I am not too informed about the differences Hakuzo. Could you elaborate?

    I would generally say spirits tend to not have physical bodies and I believe kitsune (at one point in time) had physical bodies.

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    Other fox related beings in mythology I have came across. In case it interests anyone...

    Caipora, is an entity of the Tupi-Guarani mythology in Brazil. It is represented as a dark-skinned, small Indian, naked with a very long black mane, smoking a cigar and very mischievous. Other depictions are as a stout hairy anthropomorphic being with the head of a fox. Sometimes it is said that is has his feet turned backwards, to deceive trackers. Some say it rides a great peccary. The Caipora also is said to help the people that are kind to the forest and hurt those who hurt it.

    It is known as a forest dweller, as a king of the animals of sorts and very vengeful of hunters who do not respect the rules of "fair-play" when hunting. It is told that it scares away prey and "hides" animal tracks or makes hunters lose their way in the jungle.

    Gulon/Jerff/Vielfraß, from Scandinavian legend described as being the size and shape of a dog, with some cat like features such as the head, ears, and claws. It also supposedly has a thick coat of shaggy brown fur and a tail resembling that of a fox.

    The Gulon is notorious as a symbol of gluttony because of the strange eating habits it is supposed to have. It will make a kill and then gorge itself until it is swollen and unable to eat more, at which point it will find two trees and squeeze itself in between them, pushing the meat through its own body before returning to the kill and repeating the process.

    Nguruvilu, fox snake creature found in the Mapuche mythology of Chile.

    (brief descriptions cped from wiki [read: yes I am a lazy fox atm])
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    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 03:58:56 PM »

    Well, there are book on this sort of stuff, I actually own one.
    It's in german though.
    "Der Fuchs in Glaube und Mythos"
    "The Fox in Belief and Mythos"

    It's some 400 pages thick, so I'll probably not translate and post it here.
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    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 08:53:07 PM »

    If you read it, do the fox myths from Germany differ that much than from the myths in Asia? Could you say how they do or don't?

    I'm afraid I do not speak German...
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    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 02:27:09 PM »

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    Oh, there's all sorts of myths. Some countries have more, some have less.
    But generally, the fox is attributed as a trixter and a creature of the night.
     Huh?
    Let me check some central european myths...
    • The fox was the sacred animal of Thor, the thunder god and also associated with summer.
    • It was also associated with Donar, god of Farming (Hmm, hi there Inari).
    • In northern countries the barking of a fox near a human home is said to herald a person's death.
    • Also, Foxes are thought of as bringers of fertility.
    • In northerner countries the Skogsfru is a fox who appears as a beautiful woman and entices young men.
    • Witches are said to take the for om foxes.
    • Several spirits of the forest in different european countries appear in the shape of foxes.
    • Foxes are said to sometimes appear bearing a trail of torch maidens (kitsune wedding?)
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    « Reply #6 on: August 14, 2011, 10:50:19 PM »

    Foxes are not demons >>. Demon is an improper translation of Kitsune, as the real meaning is Fox Spirit

    Actually, the original meaning in classical Japanese was come and sleep, or always comes, depending on the pronunciation. As my friends have forwardly pointed out, those meanings are very accurate(Note, I am not a slut, I am a manwhore).

    Through language evolution it has come to mean fox in Japanese. In English, it refers to "fox spirit".
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