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[Taoki]

Ok... I know what I'm getting into for asking this now, but I simply just have to because I want to know what the truth is. Please forgive me...

I have been talking with kitsunes around places over the internet recently, and kept hearing some things about the courts... that I really can just hope are not true. I heard many theories from some kitsunes about the courts, saying that the courts on the astral, even the kitsune ones... are basically a living nightmare... not even by little compared with courts like the ones on this world.

I heard kits mentioning that Inari's courts (or maybe other kitsune courts too) do things to other kitsunes like capturing them and enslaving them, torturing them, and some things that I would wish not to believe. I also remembered I heard a theory from a kitsune I used to talk with some time ago from another place... she said that the courts hunt all nogitsune that they can find, and capture and torture them only because they are nogitsune and they hate them.

Even though I haven't heard too many claims of this type, and I don't believe things can possibly be that bad in reality, what I heard has concerned me deeply. And no, I am not afraid that the astral courts are going to read what I post on my computer and take revenge on me after I die here because I talk against them. I don't have to agree with them, and don't have to fear them, if what was said is true... and of course if the courts are innocent I would never want to say anything fake about them, but right now I am just asking.

I deeply hope it's not true, but if things are indeed like this, then something needs to be done about it. In my memories I remember a lot of death and torture, but from devils and other horrifying creatures... not the courts or other kitsunes. But if it is, we even have to finding a way to go against the courts and stop them... because such a horror cannot be allowed to exist, though of course I wouldn't want anyone in danger for anything.

The reason I posted this here is just to ask everyone if that is true, and if the courts do such things indeed. Also, don't let what I said worry you, because like I said I don't even believe that, but just heard the claims and am worried about it. And don't let this change your image about the courts either until things are known for certain, as if this is wrong the courts could just be made of some good kitsunes who just try to keep order how they can without harming anyone much.

Anyway yes, if you know anything about this, I would like to know what the truth really is, and if something so horrible could possibly exist for us. If not, please forgive me for making such a topic and asking, but I just want to know the truth.

[Kira]

If a fox organisation exists they would never do such things.

The reason is simple: They are too smart.
Doing those things they would dig their own graves, and I don't beliefe them to be that short-sightened.

If a fox organisation doing such things DOES exist however, I will have no part of it.
 

[reiko]

That doesn't sound like the Inari Courts at all. If the nogitsune have done something personal to a myobu, I can understand. Otherwise, I don't think their religion/belief would allow such acts in their courts.

[Hanai]

That is not how it is, as Kira mentioned, they would be digging their own graves if they were have an "ethnic cleansing" of the sort that you describe.   It is only for highly specialized and dangerous cases that they would send someone out to kill anyone, nogitsune or otherwise.  They also have no need for capturing and enslaving kitsune, there are plenty enough myobu and other followers of Inari to fulfill the duties of the Courts.

I have my own grievances with the Courts, but it has more to do with how they treat their own members rather than outsiders.

[Taoki]

Thank you so much for your answers, they helped very much. I'm glad to hear it's not true... I almost knew it from the beginning but needed to ask. I always felt and knew clearly its not true and was amazed when I heard about it... indeed it is completely out of kitsune nature to be able to do such things in such a way... not even if possessed or anything. I'm so happy to hear that everything is ok

[aaarhus]

I know that I've been told to be wary and a little untrusting of any information on kitsune "written by humans", but I know another thing I've read is that instead of killing a nogitsune, a myobu would rather have them simply leave or something...
What that is based off is the family mentality that the research also has brought up...
I don't really know much else besides that... so it's all I have to offer.

[Kuro]

It's propaganda.  Malevolent groups of nogitsune like to instill fear in the neutral or good sects by spreading rumors like that amongst us.  I promise, we do no such thing.  The only reason any nogitsune would even be brought to the shrine forcively would be because he has done something to a human that is unforgivable, such as draining them until there's nothing left, killing them, raping them, etc.

[Taoki]

So glad to hear that once more. Um... being brought to the courts for what we do to a human though? :ok: I mean it would be like being brought to the police station in this life for squishing a bug by mistake or something, no?

Just curious, as it doesn't seem like a job for our courts or anything. From what I know, they normally take great care that we don't harm our own kin, other mystical creatures and even animals which is of course great, but not if we harm things like monsters, devils, humans, or some other creatures like that. Just felt surprised and also worried, as if it's true things aren't too good I believe.

[Hanai]

The courts are not racist malicious energy-rapers, it is their job in fact to prevent or terminate the above from doing so.

[aaarhus]

What would they think of ignorant kitsune that are... new...?

Ones that try to just... see... what they are capable of? Do they believe it accident or a threat?

I... don't really think anyone would come after me. No... more so if there were such things I would believe I'm insignificant compared to other issues that would be present... you know?
 

I guess my post doesn't make sense.
I don't know if I stated it before... the idea of such a "court" being viewed after the information I read of it... it wouldn't make sense for that.
Maybe for some things... that are overly righteous... but not the Inari courts, or for kitsune in general from my research.

[Taoki]

Well, like I said, I have a slightly different view on the relationship between kitsunes and humans and hearing about that got me surprised and a little upset, so please forgive me for my last post. The courts know far better what they do and why they do it, and I'm still very far from knowing anything on some topics.

[Kuro]

So glad to hear that once more. Um... being brought to the courts for what we do to a human though? :ok: I mean it would be like being brought to the police station in this life for squishing a bug by mistake or something, no?[/b]
Just curious, as it doesn't seem like a job for our courts or anything. From what I know, they normally take great care that we don't harm our own kin, other mystical creatures and even animals which is of course great, but not if we harm things like monsters, devils, humans, or some other creatures like that. Just felt surprised and also worried, as if it's true things aren't too good I believe.

Wow.  That.  IS.  Specist.  You just compared humankind to bugs.

[aaarhus]

I try to see all as equals...

I am sorry about the bugs... and I mean insects.
 ^_^

[Taoki]

The reason I see them like that is one; they do evil and mean things all the time. That is true, and cannot be denied. They make rules and laws that mocker and torture everyone alive, and I treat them like that because I cannot stand that their evil cannot be defeated. I believe such an attitude as mine towards them can prove how far their evil can get some against them, and that they cannot do everything they want while everyone obeys. I do not obey, and I talk against them. This is how I believe their evil can be defeated. And I know, not all humans are evil indeed, but those who are not are very rare.

I am deeply saddened though... by how much other kitsunes forgot about theirselves. Does anyone else here except me really and truly realize any more how sad it is having to live under these forms, *their* forms, by force... and how sad it is that we will never live to see others of our kin because they don't exist here? No, it seems not.

I am just so sorry about it... We where taken apart from the things that should have been most important for all of us... and instead of fixing that, or caring about that, we defend humans only because they are the majority and everyone got used to supporting them, even if (from what I believe) it's a lot their fault we don't exist here?

It's like someone evil kidnaps you from your family and ruins your life, but we still support and serve that someone... just cuz everyone else does so or something. And I'm just scared to realize some things clearly, and see that noone else like me does and I'm the only one who sees them, and have to stand against all things alone. Everyone else "got a life" on this world so much, that they just forgot and don't see any more

[Shiori]

you have to stop thinking all these humans are o so evil. yes some are but if you look deeper look at humans who help animales look at humans who everyday risk their lives in fires. look at humans who do animale rescues and even help organize food drives for the needy. Look at all that and stop being all one sided because in the end that only hurts you.

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